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on โ10-05-2014 04:13 PM
Seems like they are being punished instead and life is going to be made harder for them.
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on โ10-05-2014 06:49 PM
But isn't that argument Crikey that there isn't a whole lot of support from the community when it comes to disability. I think a lot of people do have the capacity to do so much more even those on DSP. But you have to give them a fair chance to do that which means communities, employers, services and governments work together to better lives.
They can barely afford to live. Where do they pull the resources to do more? I say support them properly, increase their pension, give them more incentive to get back into employment and have decent services in place to get them to a point where they don't need DSP or support.
But that isn't what the government is doing and that is the argument. The method they are using is punishment, punishment, punishment. They want to take away what little they have and plunge them into further hopelessness and further poverty. The method is not right, its not providing a better quality of life its leaving them in a situation where its a recipe for disaster.
As for the independent doctors assessment what a joke. These people have targets, they don't care about people. They did the same thing in the UK to the detriment of the disabled there.
In saying that I am passionate about this subject but I want to see fairness at work, look at the capacity of people encourage them by all means to participate in the community and in the workforce but lets have some respect and dignity about it. Let's not scaremonger them and put them through endless stress and reviews. Crazy system
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on โ10-05-2014 07:04 PM
I would rather see the paid parental leave abolished and would much rather that our tax dollars were going to people who really need it.
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on โ10-05-2014 07:06 PM
From the article I read, Bella, I was under the impression that it was those who were on the DSP but shouldn't be, that were the focus of this?
Plus, if a person is taken off DSP, I am pretty sure they are not just cut loose, wouldn't they be transferred to the unemployment section or the study section where they have access to the agencies i was talking about earlier?
It is my understanding that this is not aimed at every person on the DSP, that they're not just going to come along tomorrow and cut off all funding etc, just redirect them into areas where the resources are in place or more readily developed.
It's just paperwork Bella, getting people into the system best suited to their needs. by definition and criteria, a person on the DSP does not have access to employment assistance as seen in the unemployment sector, even if they want it.
Some people can go their whole lives and never really live for a single minute.
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on โ10-05-2014 07:09 PM
@lakeland27 wrote:
@*crikey*mate* wrote:
@bella_again wrote:It is possible to create your own job but you have to have the resources and brain power to do that. Most people in this situation are already facing extreme poverty. It's just not as simple as that.
I know Bella, and you know i agree with you and what you say in this and the above post.
This isn't applicable to all those with a disability, just some of them.
And why can't communities help a little bit and support those that are capable?
There are quite a few p[eople with disabilities who manage an ebay business.
Not every person fits the parameters you are describing, just as not every person fits the parameters of what I am describing, but for some, I believe it is possible.
Maybe some just need to be shown how or encouraged to try?
the sentiment is OK , but the reality of the government spending money on training is quite slim. throughout PM Howards reign 'training' was the word being said to him over again that he ignored totally. the present seems eerily similar.
i thought that too, Lakes, and that was the stance i took into my debate the other day with my brother's girlfriend.
I lost dismally.
Some people can go their whole lives and never really live for a single minute.
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on โ10-05-2014 07:15 PM
All that is needed is JOBS. End of story........................leave you to carry on throwing 'out-of-the-ordinary' examples of disabled people around that are gainfully employed crikey.
It's similarly opinionated people , with no real experience in the area of disabilities that are ALSO in control of legislation in this world who **bleep** up peoples lives. They probably don't mean to but they do.
Try 'listening' instead of offering inexperienced opinion on how to fix it, would be my advice.
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โ10-05-2014 07:19 PM - edited โ10-05-2014 07:21 PM
Some need jobs AND workers to accompany them to that job.The workers are in short supply AND cost far more per hour than the client would receive on a DSP.
ps: that could be for a job which pays the disability client $3/hour
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on โ10-05-2014 07:22 PM
Yes and no Crikey. They want a two tier system with more people on the Newstart allowance rate to save money. The problem is that unemployment services are woefully inadequate as is the newstart allowance. So if people are placed in that situation they will be forced to live on around 160 less a week. There isn't as much helpful assistance as you may think and all the assistance in the world won't necessarily change the fact they still don't have enough to survive on.
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on โ10-05-2014 07:26 PM
ok Bella
but I still think this is aimed at those who are on a disability pension and may not need to be.
I don't think this is aimed at those who need to receive this type of help.
and paints - ROFL - i have no experience? OK
Some people can go their whole lives and never really live for a single minute.
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on โ10-05-2014 07:27 PM
@bella_again wrote:Yes and no Crikey. They want a two tier system with more people on the Newstart allowance rate to save money. The problem is that unemployment services are woefully inadequate as is the newstart allowance. So if people are placed in that situation they will be forced to live on around 160 less a week. There isn't as much helpful assistance as you may think and all the assistance in the world won't necessarily change the fact they still don't have enough to survive on.
BELLA
what is Newstart for?
Some people can go their whole lives and never really live for a single minute.
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on โ10-05-2014 07:29 PM
@*crikey*mate* wrote:
@bella_again wrote:Yes and no Crikey. They want a two tier system with more people on the Newstart allowance rate to save money. The problem is that unemployment services are woefully inadequate as is the newstart allowance. So if people are placed in that situation they will be forced to live on around 160 less a week. There isn't as much helpful assistance as you may think and all the assistance in the world won't necessarily change the fact they still don't have enough to survive on.
BELLA
what is Newstart for?
Do you live in Australia ?

