on 10-05-2014 04:13 PM
Seems like they are being punished instead and life is going to be made harder for them.
Solved! Go to Solution.
on 10-05-2014 07:33 PM
Exactly Iza. Roughly a support worker that takes a client to work would cost between 32 - 43 dollars an hour through an agency(they are generally paid around 23 - 27) plus petrol allowance of one dollar per kilometre depending on experience or qualifications. There are a whole host of other issues associated with work shelters (not sure that's what they are called) that need addressing.
I think those with moderate to severe disabilities should have the opportunity to work in the mainstream community where they have to live, function and survive. Maybe then there will be a greater understanding of their needs and perhaps more empathy. Just thought I'd throw that out there lol!!!!
on 10-05-2014 07:34 PM
@*crikey*mate* wrote:
@bella_again wrote:Yes and no Crikey. They want a two tier system with more people on the Newstart allowance rate to save money. The problem is that unemployment services are woefully inadequate as is the newstart allowance. So if people are placed in that situation they will be forced to live on around 160 less a week. There isn't as much helpful assistance as you may think and all the assistance in the world won't necessarily change the fact they still don't have enough to survive on.
BELLA
what is Newstart for?
Better question, how does it work and how is it applied?
(I just googled)
I saw on the Youth payment while studying that they get an assets tested amount, but they can earn up to $200 per week before this starts to affect their payments
Whilst they compared the two "systems" they didn't mention anything about if you could earn the same money on the newstart before it was affected.
I can't work out what work credits are.
on 10-05-2014 07:36 PM
@izabsmiling wrote:
@*crikey*mate* wrote:
@bella_again wrote:Yes and no Crikey. They want a two tier system with more people on the Newstart allowance rate to save money. The problem is that unemployment services are woefully inadequate as is the newstart allowance. So if people are placed in that situation they will be forced to live on around 160 less a week. There isn't as much helpful assistance as you may think and all the assistance in the world won't necessarily change the fact they still don't have enough to survive on.
BELLA
what is Newstart for?
Do you live in Australia ?
Is your name bella?
Besides, I'm sorry i don't know the terms for the types of assistance available or their scope
on 10-05-2014 07:41 PM
LOL Iza! Crikey look here: http://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/services/centrelink/newstart-allowance
That might help. Listen Crikey I think you have a great ability to come up with solutions but I am trying to help you see that sometimes the ideal isn't the reality. So we have to weigh up the realities with the solution and go from there. Probably makes no sense lol
So many people are out of touch with what its like. It's one thing to have wonderful ideas and solutions but putting that theory into practice where individuals are concerned is not always easy. I'm not saying I am right.
But from personal experience one size doesn't fit all and theory is not always achievable in practice. These are people, sometimes we forget that int he whole equation. I look at my girls and I worry about their future and what hope they will have in a society that is less and less empathetic.
on 10-05-2014 08:05 PM
on 10-05-2014 08:21 PM
NDIS campaign group, Every Australian Counts, said that claims of a cost blow-out were exaggerated with the individual funding allocation below the annual $35,000 package recommended by the Productivity Commission.
People with Disability Australia president Craig Wallace said that delaying the introduction NDIS would "plunge people with disability and service providers into a no man's land of uncertainty well into the next decade".
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@bella_again wrote:
LOL Iza! Crikey look here: http://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/services/centrelink/newstart-allowance
That might help. Listen Crikey I think you have a great ability to come up with solutions but I am trying to help you see that sometimes the ideal isn't the reality. So we have to weigh up the realities with the solution and go from there. Probably makes no sense lol
So many people are out of touch with what its like. It's one thing to have wonderful ideas and solutions but putting that theory into practice where individuals are concerned is not always easy. I'm not saying I am right.
But from personal experience one size doesn't fit all and theory is not always achievable in practice. These are people, sometimes we forget that int he whole equation. I look at my girls and I worry about their future and what hope they will have in a society that is less and less empathetic.
sorry Bella, no longer interested.
I tried to have a discussion and learn from you.
and people wonder why there is no understanding, eh?
on 10-05-2014 08:33 PM
on 10-05-2014 08:45 PM
Bella, this article put's it better than I could.....the attack on people on the DSP, the idea that some aren't "disabled enough", that somehow peoples GP's aren't competent enough to decide, is very similar to what the NSW fiberals have done to workers comp, changed the rules so that the most injured workers are quickly cut off - yet their injuries and medical conditions remain, only their future is a lot bleaker.
The Coalition's society is no place for disabled people
In the same way disability puts a sharp edge on the gritty stuff we all deal with, it magnifies the disadvantage some of us suffer more than others
The anaemic, rudderless performance of Abbott’s government suggests it neither promises nor aspires to that kind of leadership. And when set against the government’s general receptiveness to the Commission of Audit’s recommendations – and its uncritical acceptance of the Commission’s rationale – there is little comfort in COAG’s assurance on Friday that it will press on with the NDIS rollout despite the Commission’s proposals to the contrary.
Whether the Coalition follows through with the NDIS or not, it has already shown its contempt for the kind of society where the scheme could truly take root.
on 10-05-2014 08:49 PM
@poddster wrote:12 out of 34 at a cost of nearly half a million.
That is just the ones that have landed in court, 1/3 were convicted.
I have no doubt that because of apathy and not wanting to be labeled a "dobber" there are thousands who are getting away with fraud at taxpayers' expense
No, 12 out of the number of services provided. Not many at all really.