on 14-03-2020 11:47 PM
I heard on TV the other day that hospitals are gearing up for the pandemic and are not seeing people for selective surgeries etc. I was in the next room, so I was not sure if I misunderstood, and have not been able to find more about it. Anybody heard anything? I suppose to see a surgeon about my knee operation in couple of weeks.
I will try to call them on Monday, but it is not easy to get through in the best of times.
on 17-03-2020 12:19 AM
@brerrabbit585 wrote:
If they got really desperate there are also plenty of nurses who are no longer registered but who could easily assist.
My sister in law was registered at the time of chameleon's figures but decided not to renew it in November.
She would show as recently deregistered but at the age of 75 I doubt she would be willing or able to work 12 hour shifts.
on 17-03-2020 08:44 AM
17-03-2020 09:01 AM - edited 17-03-2020 09:03 AM
@lyndal1838 wrote:
@brerrabbit585 wrote:
If they got really desperate there are also plenty of nurses who are no longer registered but who could easily assist.My sister in law was registered at the time of chameleon's figures but decided not to renew it in November.
She would show as recently deregistered but at the age of 75 I doubt she would be willing or able to work 12 hour shifts.
The graphs on the Nurses and Midwifery board site also give a break down of the age of registered nurses. It is only a very small demographic who are aged in their seventies and for each one that drops out due to age, there are young trainees coming through. Another nugget I came across from 2014 showed that in that year around 35% of nursing graduates where not able to find employment in their chosen field of nursing. ie. we have many more successful nursing graduates than placements.
My posts regards nurses relate to a much earlier post on this thread asking " how would we staff any extra emergency facilities opened to handle the COVID-19 cases ". My response that there where " tens of thousands " of nurses and doctors specifically related to those who where currently working, but under - employed ( part time ), of which I gave two examples. One my sister, another my GP, both working around 20 hours or less per week, as lifestyle choices.
The figures quoted in an earlier post show that well over half of all nurses are currently working part time with around 170,000 working less than 34 hours per week. By cancelling all planned leave for existing staff we immediately get a 10% increase in medical staffing capacity. By requesting ( or compelling ) existing part time staff to work full time ( 40 hours per week ) we get another 20 - 25% increase in staffing. While this is inconvenient for some, it gives a 30% - 35% increase in staffing without venturing into unreasonable or unsafe staffing practices and hourly shifts that are out of line with other full time employees.
If we then tap into the very large pool of medical proffesionals who are currently not part of the medical work force ( like the 35% of recent nursing graduates that are not currently employed in nursing ) we have greater flexibility to staff emergency facilities. Many of these would be employed in alternate businesses that may be looking to give workers extended leave due to being effected by COVID-19 and some would jump at the chance of letting an employee have unpaid time off for a period of months Win Win.
My basic point is, there is extensive under-utilised capacity already built into the Australian medical professions which could be called upon in a crisis to increase staffing by perhaps 40% , without the need to go to the extreme measures of rolling 12 hour shifts.
on 17-03-2020 09:05 AM
17-03-2020 09:15 AM - edited 17-03-2020 09:19 AM
@lyndal1838 wrote:
@brerrabbit585 wrote:
If they got really desperate there are also plenty of nurses who are no longer registered but who could easily assist.My sister in law was registered at the time of chameleon's figures but decided not to renew it in November.
She would show as recently deregistered but at the age of 75 I doubt she would be willing or able to work 12 hour shifts.
The figures from the registration board show only 1.3 % of currently registered nurses are aged 70 or more. I tried to post a link to the information, but it is contained in a PDF file and gives an invalid link ( with my name in it.... ).
on 17-03-2020 10:24 AM
on 17-03-2020 10:25 AM
on 17-03-2020 11:18 AM
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
This is the site I looked at.
People in China live a lot closer together than we do so they're probably more susceptible than we are. It's also winter (early spring but still extremely cold) and the sort of weather where people are more susceptible to that sort of thing.
I said right from the start that Australia should stop people coming in. If not stop them, at least quarantine them properly. Funny how some people in the forums are saying it's a police state when people can be forced to self-isolate and be fined massive fines if they don't, then they say the govt should be doing more to stop it. They can't have it both ways. I think if someone who may be a carrier is prepared to risk other people's lives they deserve to be fined.
If people are going to act in a completely inconsiderate and lawless way then I think they have to expect the govt to bring in measures that treat them as though they're children. All this over the top stockpiling should be stopped by fining those who do it (if they can find out who they are) and if people don't stop then they probably need to bring in rationing like they had during and after the war.
I find it interesting that the people brought home from China had to go into quarantine for 2 weeks and many others were told to isolate,themselves, but Tom Hanks was allowed to come in and spread it all over the place, and nobody seems bothered about that just because of who he is.
on 17-03-2020 11:25 AM
on 17-03-2020 11:32 AM
@brerrabbit585 wrote:
You and I seem to be the only one doing the maths. A lot of others seem more interested in spreading panic.
*puts hand up*
im doing the Maths and utterly perplexed about the level of scare mongering and panic sweeping Australia.