Baden Clay Trial

[azureline**]

Allison Baden Clay Murder 2 years ago

I was reading up on this today, as the trial started Monday.

The senior Baden Clay was on the stand today and gave evidence about something his wife told him about his daughter in law..................................I thought they usually objected and called that heresay?

Don't they do that in Australia? have I watched too many American crime shows?

[lionrose.7]

I which I lot of Crime stories and read them, it certainly makes you check if the doors are locked at night, Twice 😞

[cherry*135]

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@paintsew007 wrote:

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@paintsew007 wrote:

I find a handing down of a 'guilty of murder' verdict based on circumstantial evidence most unnerving.

My thoughts and prayers go out to all family and friends involved.

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I just read that the scratches on his face did it..........as he shaved to cover them up.

The police also sought help for overseas experts in murder cases.

Then there was the plants in her hair, 4 of them were found at their home and only 2 at the creek.

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As I said before -

I find a handing down of a 'guilty of murder' verdict based on circumstantial evidence most unnerving.

As for all these 'overseas experts' ....freddie provided a link (go back a few posts) detailing past history of one of them!! Not a comforting fact and certainly provides more questions in my mind about this latest legal conclusion reached.

IMO this is not the end of this matter - my instincts and all that

Mr B-C might be wiser now about his choice of a legal rep.

My prayers of support go out to him, his Dear wife, his 3 young daughters and all family and friends.

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Thats, fine if that is your view.

People really need to read all the agreed evidence presented in court, the defence case, the prosecution, the judges summary etc, look at video clips of GBC before Allison's body was found, though.

Not just rely on the few flashes of news stories on TV.

GBC was represented by legal aid. He not being able to fund his own defence. As he did not admit to killing his wife the defence didn't have much to go on... offered suicide or overdose of prescription medicine (zoloft).

A different legal rep wouldn't have been able to do anything different/better.

[fourandsixpants]

ref "A different legal rep wouldn't have been able to do anything different/better."

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I totally disagree and I am not convinced that it is 'right' to convict someone of being guilty of murder on circumstantial evidence.

[purple_haize]

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@paintsew007 wrote:

ref "A different legal rep wouldn't have been able to do anything different/better."

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I totally disagree and I am not convinced that it is 'right' to convict someone of being guilty of murder on circumstantial evidence.

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There was plenty of things that didnt sit right with him from the beginning, he never went out looking for his wife, he didnt look worried or was emotional on the day Allison went missing, he was dressed for work............people dont do that, if their partner is missing, he didnt seem the least bit concerned.

The scratches on his face, from day 1, the police knew that his razor didnt cut his face.

They found blood in the car, Allisons blood.

He was a liar, he lied to every one, including his family.

In court he had portrayed Allison having severe depression so much so, she took her own life..............well just say that is what she did, she jumped from the bridge into the creek............strange, she had no bruises or broken bones.

He killed her, he suffocated her, that way, no one would know how she died, so he thought.

Plants found on her hair, there were 6 differet ones, 2 were found in the creek, the other 4 were found around Allisons home, and that lot of 4, only grew in the area she lived in.

There is/was plenty of evidence, and now he is in prison, where he belongs......

[azureline**]

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@paintsew007 wrote:

ref "A different legal rep wouldn't have been able to do anything different/better."

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I totally disagree and I am not convinced that it is 'right' to convict someone of being guilty of murder on circumstantial evidence.

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I suppose many will disagree................ but there is a lot of circumstantial evidence..... added together it paints a damning picture of guilt.

[fourandsixpants]

Basically, it's evidence that makes a person look guilty without making it 100% true or factual ......

e.g. In the Lindy Chamberlain case .

Iguess most posting here have never been on prescribed anti-depressants for any length of time , definitively, whilst being treated for post natal syndrome?....or have not lived in a family situation with children as a partner of someone who is on on strong anti-depressants?

Just guessing 'tis all.

[the_great_she_elephant]

Iguess most posting here have never been on prescribed anti-depressants for any length of time , definitively, whilst being treated for post natal syndrome?....or have not lived in a family situation with children as a partner of someone who is on on strong anti-depressants

Actually  quite a few people here have said quite openly on here either  that they are or have been on anti depressants. There have even been support threads on here for depression.

 I find it hard to imagine that someone driven by depression to take her own life would walk 14 kilometres in the middle of the night in order to do so. 

[cherry*135]

I guess most posting here have never been on prescribed anti-depressants for any length of time , definitively, whilst being treated for post natal syndrome?....or have not lived in a family situation with children as a partner of someone who is on on strong anti-depressants?

You should read up on what her psychologist/psychiatrists said about her and her counsellor. Doesn't matdh at all how the defence were portrayingher around the time of her death.

The post natal depression was about 10 years before she was murdered (her second daughter?). 

She was a fully functional person at the time of her death, busy with family, working in the real estate office. She also taught dance and took a resilience class at the school. Went to a training course the afternoon before she went missing, should have been going to a real estate conference the next day.

[fourandsixpants]

ref   ".....I find it hard to imagine that someone driven by depression........."

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Exactly my point! Absolutely 'no idea' at all.......

[the_great_she_elephant]

When I think abut the Keli Lane case I am always reminded of "Mehitabel's Kittens" in "Archie and Mehitabel"(excuse the scroller)  I'm sure this was pretty much the way her mind was working.

i will make a home
for the sweet innocent
little things
unless of course providence
in his wisdom should remove
them they are living
just now in an abandoned
garbage can just behind
a made over stable in greenwich
village and if it rained
into the can before i could
get back and rescue them
i am afraid the little
dears might drown
it makes me shudder just
to think of it
of course if i were a family cat
they would probably
be drowned anyhow
sometimes i think
the kinder thing would be
for me to carry the
sweet little things
over to the river
and drop them in myself
but a mother s love archy
is so unreasonable
something always prevents me.

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a dark mystery still broods
over the manner
in which the former
family of three kittens
disappeared
one day she was taking to me
of the kittens
and the next day when i asked
her about them
she said innocently
what kittens