Benjamin Netanyahu - UN Speech 2014

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@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

I know UFO.  

At the same time where are/were they suppossed to evacuate to?  Palestinians dont have bomb shelters like Isrealis do. Every border in the place is blockaded, there is no freedom of movement in and out of Gaza.  I think you are jaded if you believe that Isreal did "everything they could" to avoid casualities.  And they will keep spinning the lie that Hamas uses "Human Shields" to protect their missiles whereas Isreal uses missiles to protect her citizens.  

So because Netanyahu says that Hamas is Isis then it must be so?  It's just wartime propaganda imo.  From what I can gather from this speech is that what Isreal really wants is for all the surrounding countries in the middle east (that are either Islamic/Arabic or against Isreals policies) he wants them all disarmed.  It's okay though for Isreal to have WMD's (and to use them indiscriminatley against a majority unarmed population) but if any other country has them, they are a threat and should be totally disarmed.  

Double standards much? 

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Israel has a Parliament and they debate issues like we do, they are the only democratic country in the Middle East. All the other countries are either ruled by Royal families or dictators and you can't negotiate with that. Israel are not aggressors quite the contrary, they use force when they are attacked.  Israel wants peace they are tired of war, they have no interest in any more fighting unless they are backed into a corner and have to defend.

[k0llectable5]

They are not all Monarchies and dictators...Qatar, Oman, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain are the only absolute Monarchies.  

Isreal may not be aggressors but they are occupiers and alot of Isrealis are living in Illegal settlements built on Palestinian land.  They may not be aggressors but the level of force they use is ALWAYS excessive .  They may claim to be democratic but we all know they are nationalistic, religiously bias, racist and exclusivist...

IE; as a non Jew I could not move to Isreal to live.  I'd be welcome for a holiday but to live there permanently...no chance...

[goldenjet16]

"IE; as a non Jew I could not move to Isreal to live. I'd be welcome for a holiday but to live there permanently...no chance..."

Well let's look at this..... Being a nation surrounded by mostly Muslims and also a horrific WWII where 6 million Jews died in the holocaust, I wonder how trusting they should be. You don't let a fox live in a hen house, jmo.

[k0llectable5]

Oh for goodness sake.....  lucky that is just "your" opinion... 

[goldenjet16]

Well I guess that's all you have.. .. "For goodness sake" . Ok , and you want a debate! it's like someone wanting to start a fire with no matches. Good night!

[k0llectable5]

I did type a long winded argumentative style post to "debate" your "fox in the hen house" comment but I decided against posting it because from your posts I can tell you are a staunch supporter of Isreal and in your mind everything they do to the Palestinians is justified because of WWII.  It's not up to me to tell you that you might like to double check your WWII death figures etc, because everyone who goes there these days is just labelled either a "nazi" or a "holocaust denier"  

So if you think Isreals immigration policies are justified because they are surrounded by muslims and because alot of Jews suffered in WWII then I will just be wasting mine (and your) time debating the issue.  

Because in the end according to your analogy all Jews in Isreal are hens and everyone else is just a fox trying to infiltrate the coup and kill all the hens while they are sleeping...   Now do you see why I replied with "For goodness sake?"

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https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=694525737305220&set=vb.518947111529751&type=2&theater

This is how Israelis treat the Palestinians, and unless that stops, and unless they stop taking more and more land they will not have peace, and they do not deserve peace.

[k0llectable5]

I've seen that doco (Checkpoint)  Super Nova, made by an Isreali by the name of Yoav Shamir.  He has made another one too called "Defamation" both must see documentaries imo.

I agree with you, but cant see it stopping anytime soon 😞

[goldenjet16]

No.... You missed my point, and I'm not a staunch supporter of Israel as you are of Palestine. I was just pointing out the Jews may not be so trusting of anyone. I never wrote what's going on between Israel and Palestine had anything to do with WWII. My point is because of their situation and past, may be the reason for their immigration policy that's all.

"Because in the end according to your analogy all Jews in Isreal are hens and everyone else is just a fox trying to infiltrate the coup and kill all the hens while they are sleeping... Now do you see why I replied with "For goodness sake?"

Wow.... Are you kidding me..... no your right!!! the Jews are friends with everyone in the Middle East. Unbelievable.... I'm done here.

[k0llectable5]

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goldenjet16 wrote:
No.... You missed my point, and I'm not a staunch supporter of Israel as you are of Palestine. I was just pointing out the Jews may not be so trusting of anyone. I never wrote what's going on between Israel and Palestine had anything to do with WWII. My point is because of their situation and past, may be the reason for their immigration policy that's all.

 I sympathize with the innocent Palestinians (over half of whom are children under the age of 17) who have lived under a brutal blockade/occupation for decades.  I'm sorry for mis quoting you.But I believe their immigration policy is more about keeping the demographic majority Jewish. How can they call themselves a Jewish state if Jews are a minority? 

"Because in the end according to your analogy all Jews in Isreal are hens and everyone else is just a fox trying to infiltrate the coup and kill all the hens while they are sleeping... Now do you see why I replied with "For goodness sake?"

Wow.... Are you kidding me..... no your right!!! the Jews are friends with everyone in the Middle East. Unbelievable.... I'm done here.

Unless you have forgotten you are on an Australian board,  I was speaking as an Australian.  Not Muslim. Not Jewish just Australian. Now I'm quite sure that if an Isreali Jew wanted to immigrate here to Australia they would have little problems doing so, but if I as an Australian wanted to go and live in Isreal I wouldn't be welcome.  More fine examples of the double standard...

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