Brighton siege

[davidc4430]

Melbourne police launch terror probe after deadly stand-off with Holsworthy plot gunman

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-06/islamic-state-claims-responsibility-for-brighton-siege/8591540

i heard our wonderful PM asking how was it this guy was out on the streets?

well mr PM, you said it yourself, he had a trial and was aquitted.

he had been in prison, served his time and had been released on parole.

isnt this exactly how our westminster system works?

if we start throwing people in jail for ever for something we think they might do in the future, well we will need a lot of new prisons, very BIG prisons.

i in no way condone this mans actions, but just what kind of place will australia be if we start locking up people with no evidence or trial?

Maybe to try to avoid terror attacks, the PM should make a speech apologizing for australias involvment in a war not sanctioned by the united nation that caused the deaths of thousands if not millions of innocent people. and pull our troops out of countries they have no business being in!

then start sending aid including money to the govts of those countries to try to repair the damage australia caused....no amount of aid and money can bring back the children, the mothers or fathers, brothers and sisters killed of course.

we should learn from our mistakes not just blindly continue along the same road.

we reap what we sow.

[village_person]

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@springyzone wrote:

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@bright.ton42 wrote:

I was just driving down there an hour earlier yesterday.    Sleepy, pretty, Brighton and Bay street.  

Do we know if he.....

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This man though had prior form for trying to attack an army base plus:

It is believed Khayre had fought in Somalia with Somali militant group al-Shabab, completing explosives and firearm training.

We might call him a nutter but he was definitely a man with form.

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All of that makes him an ideal person to be allowed into our country. It's heartening to see our officials, gatekeepers, and politicians doing a great job just like they did with man monis.

Now we are treated to our PM wearing his 'angry' face on the evening news. He scares me. He stamps his feet and wants to know what Khayre was doing out on parole. Mr Turnbull, you are responsible for our laws so do you think our laws need to be made more relevant to 2017 rather than reflect a nicer world that existed in 1977. But before you do anything proactive to protect Australians you best get your photo taken standing in front of a mosque squeezing the hand of an imam.

[davidc4430]

he may well have done something in the future like monis did in the lyndt cafe, i dont know i cant see into the future.

i just dont call him a terrorist on the evidence released so far. saying he said he suported IS isnt enough.

it just looked like a guy who was off his nut (possibly on crack, i dont know) and killed someone. its happening a lot these days. we dont call all of them terrorists.

the guy who shot the police officer dead a few days ago, had he yelled 'this is for alla!' as he was shooting would we call him a terrorist? he didnt and we arnt.

we have a legal system that cannot jail people for what they 'might' do. it would be very easy to make laws to jail people we think might do 'something' in the future. but i think the law makers know we would need lots more jails, lots more courts, lots more judges ect ect.

whos going to pay for all that? its not going to get you re elected when you raise taxes to cover the bill. and i suspect you would end up relesing 99% of the people you locked up for lack of evidence.

i heard on radio this morning they released 12 of the people they arested without charge over night. i think thats the UK police. prolly because they cant lock people up without proof they are guilty of a crime.

i dont envy the authorities, they are in a no win situation. they prolly have lots of people they know could do a terror attack but until they do the police are helpless.

[davidc4430]

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@domino-710 wrote:

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@davidc4430 wrote:

i hope our country allways respects those who peacfully have have a different view.

if it wasnt for people with different views i suspect we would still be living in caves.

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I have a view of the mountains.

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i have a view of the sea

[go-tazz]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

having differing views on everything as long as its peaceful is what makes a better society.

But that's not what their religion is based on,(whilst they use their holy book as a weapon of war they can

not be regarded as a peaceful religion).

Most of their verses refer to the time that their religion came about,(where according to them they were 

kicked out of some areas/countries).

They do not refer to killing innocent people in other countries.

That's what their religious leaders should be stating and condemning the terrorists,(but they fail to do so

and that's why people hate the entire religion for the violence and senseless murders).

If they want to be known as the religion of peace then act and condemn the terrorists,(tell them that they will

go to hell and expel them from their religion).

the terrorists have taken the 'i'm right your wrong' argument to the extreme. killing those who disagree.

That's how their religion expanded and that's what they want,(convert or die).

i hope our country always respects those who peaceful have have a different view.

if it wasn't for people with different views i suspect we would still be living in caves.

Their religion is based on control,(which isn't a "view",it's a certainty for them)

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[davidc4430]

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@lyndal1838 wrote:

No, it is not your fault David, but sometimes it is nice to have a break from the ugly face of the modern world.

And no, no-one is forced to read your threads but it is interesting to get other people's take on some subjects.....your opinions make interesting reading at times.

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So, if you really want a break from bad news stories why dont you take the time to find some and post them?

And the sea is very sea like today.

[davidc4430]

Parole board was 'never told' Brighton siege gunman Yacqub Khayre was on terror watch list

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-07/adult-parole-board-never-told-brighton-gunman-on-terror-list/8...

cant say much that the title doesnt say. cept it proves those watching the terrorists need to do more than just watch them and create lists.

[davidc4430]

3 out of 7 police officers caught sexting on the job!

[lyndal1838]

How do you know what they were doing?

[domino-710]

Arvo Newscorp - uniformed officers of the law were not exactly those I was referring to when mentioning ' terrorist watchers ' .

Besides - they were probably answering their Mum's - on what to bring home for dins.

[springyzone]

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davidc4430 wrote:

he may well have done something in the future like monis did in the lyndt cafe, i dont know i cant see into the future.

i just dont call him a terrorist on the evidence released so far. saying he said he suported IS isnt enough.

it just looked like a guy who was off his nut (possibly on crack, i dont know) and killed someone. its happening a lot these days. we dont call all of them terrorists.

the guy who shot the police officer dead a few days ago, had he yelled 'this is for alla!' as he was shooting would we call him a terrorist? he didnt and we arnt.

we have a legal system that cannot jail people for what they 'might' do. it would be very easy to make laws to jail people we think might do 'something' in the future. but i think the law makers know we would need lots more jails, lots more courts, lots more judges ect ect.

whos going to pay for all that? its not going to get you re elected when you raise taxes to cover the bill. and i suspect you would end up relesing 99% of the people you locked up for lack of evidence.

i heard on radio this morning they released 12 of the people they arested without charge over night. i think thats the UK police. prolly because they cant lock people up without proof they are guilty of a crime.

i dont envy the authorities, they are in a no win situation. they prolly have lots of people they know could do a terror attack but until they do the police are helpless.

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I get what you are saying, i really do. The authorities have a hard job trying to please everyone and put a damper on panic & vigilantism (if there is such a word).

but I do think there was more to this man than just being a nutter. Too many of these violent people blame drugs and I am over that. It should not be an extenuating circumstance.

This man

-had previously planned an attack an army base (although he got off the charges. I'd say he was guilty though)

-had trained with terrorist forces overseas

-had been jailed here for 5 years for a violent house invasion (although he got out early of course)

-was on a terror list but that info wasn't shown to the parole board

Is he a citizen here? Was he born here?

If not, why wasn't he deported?

How about we tighten up our citizenship, make it probationary for 10 years, with serious crime convictions nullifying it?

If he & his ilk are not ours, let some other country put up with them, we shouldn't have to.

I know I sound draconian but I live in a peaceful suburb but one with about 27 on the terror watch list. A couple of years back the local shopping centre had graffiti calling for non believers to be killed. A group also planned to bomb Fountain Gate shopping centre-they were caught beforehand but you won't have read of it. I'm over it. If refugees and new citizens cannot behave, have a consequence, deport them. At the moment, too many crimes have very little consequence.