Budget 2017

[davidc4430]

wasnt it this government who said we had a huge debt and there needed to be huge spending cuts?

where is all the money comming from for all the sudden spending promises?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/story-streams/federal-budget-2017/2017-05-06/federal-budget-2017-cancer-f...

[lyndal1838]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

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@lyndal1838 wrote:

So what do you think happens to people in private industry who test positive to drugs?

The boss sure as h*ll does not give them a pat on the head and offer to pay for them to get treatment.

They get the boot and lose their income.

Why should it be any different for welfare recipients (who only "may" lose their benefits.)

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yes, and they go sign on to the dole....the last resort catchment net for our 21st century society.

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And stand to lose those benefits if they fail a drugs test.

Maybe it will send the message that drugs are unacceptable in society.

[myoclon1cjerk]

Alcohol's a drug and it's very acceptable in this country.

[lyndal1838]

And anyone who needs a current licence to do their job can lose it if they fail a roadside breath test.

[imastawka]

Those who test positive to drugs will have their welfare payments placed onto

a cashless debit card, which can only be used to pay for legitimate living expenses.

 http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/federal-budget/the-winners-and-losers-of-budget-2017/news-sto...

[lyndal1838]

So they will still get their benefits even if it is not in the form that they want it.

That leaves them better off than the previously employed person who is fired for failing a test.

[imastawka]

Umm, I think failing a drug test is a good reason for losing your job.

Unless you can prove the test was faulty in some way.

[lyndal1838]

Stawks I could not agree more and I have never said otherwise.

My comment was in the context of my discussion with David who seems to think that anyone on benefits should not stand to lose anything....that the government should actually be paying for them to receive help to get off the drugs.

I was pointing out that workers in the private sector are subject to random drug and alcohol testing and will lose their jobs if they test positive....and they cannot claim the dole immediately either.

I was interested in your post as it shows that even if the person on benefits tests positive they will still get their money, albeit in a different form.

[imastawka]

Fair enough Lyndal.   I haven't really read through this thread properly.

[lyndal1838]

You should read it Stawks....some of it makes interesting reading.  There are some very diverse opinions to say the least.

[lurker172602]

Briefly getting back to those non-residents (and because he's on my mind atm) My FiL was British to his boot straps and never took out Australian citizenship, so I suppose he was one of those non-residents receiving govt benefits, mainly in the form of health care benefits etc. rather than a pension as such. 

He also had a distinguished RN service record and was seconded to the RAN for many, many years and, as his eulogy stated, provided enormous benefit to the Australian defence forces, mainly RAN. 

But, yes, he was a non-resident until the day he died. Do people really begrudge him his free doctors visits?