Bye, Bye Barnaby...

Well I suppose it had to happen.

Barnaby Joyce announced his resignation at 2pm  today.

 

I haven't caught up with the fall out, yet.  It will be over all the news programs tonight..

 

Tony Abbott is still opening his mouth....I will be happy if he just shuts up for a little while!

 

If I were Malcolm Turnbull I may stay overseas for a bit longer!!

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Doesnt he?  News to me lol   If he, you or any other poster  dont like the Labor Party  and prefer to support the LNP that's your choice, personally I couldnt give one lol   ..... Just dont expect me to support/agree with any of your views and I will give you the same respect

 

 

 

I dont and never will agree with Live Trade export!

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Calling Murdoch's newspapers leftist is a bit of a stretch.
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@bushies.girlwrote:

Doesnt he?  News to me lol   If he, you or any other poster  dont like the Labor Party  and prefer to support the LNP that's your choice, personally I couldnt give one lol   ..... Just dont expect me to support/agree with any of your views and I will give you the same respect

 

 

 

I dont and never will agree with Live Trade export!


If you care to read my posts properly you will see that we both agree that we dont support the live export trade. !!!

 

Personally I prefer not to be so childish as to disagree with EVERYTHING some-one else says, just because I dont share their views on politics.

 

As for me not liking the Labor party. That is a bit of a generalisation. I have said on many occasions on these forums that I view politics as a pendulum. Labor introduce expensive, but needed social policies, blow the budget, but restore some humanity to Australias social policy. The liberals eventually get elected, restore some financial prudence to the budget bottom line, but in the process usually go too far with cutting back on social policy in favour of big business. Labor gets returned to power and the cycle repeats. 

 

Despite how it may appear, I am not anti Labor persia, but are completely against Bill shorton becoming prime minisier until he is cleared of the rape allegations that are hanging over his head. That aside, I just dont think the guy has the intelligence to lead the country. Labor DO have some suitable prime ministerial asspirants in Penny Wong ( Who I am a supporter of ) and Tanya Plebesic who I dont particularly like, but have respect her intelligernce and abilities.

 

Unfortunately there are too many seat warmers from the past Gillard / Rudd roundabout still in positions of power within the Labor party. These are the same people who proved they did not have the capacity to govern through thier impulsive, poll driven knee jerk policies such as "Pink Batts" which ended up killing a number of young people, School halls which was a complete waste of money and their response to the live export trade which caused an animal welfare disaster every bit as big as the Pink Batts scandel, but was kept out of the media.

 

Past Labor governments have either initiated or been a major contributors to important Australian social and yes even financial reforms. Some examples include Medicare, Superannuation, Basic wages policy etc. Keating completely stuffed the countries finances ( and my own personal finances for around a decade ) through his mis-judgement of use of interest rates leading to the Bannana Republic recession. Having said that he was a person of great forsight with his encouragement of Australias ecenomic engagement with our Asian neighbours and was a trail blazer to our succesfull later financial trading partnerships with China. His floating of the Australian Dollar was another very important financial legacy. Past Labor governments have included some very wise, intelligent men of outstanding ability. Button ( automotive transistion policy ) is one who immediatly springs to mind. There are others whos names elude me.

 

So as you can see I dont hate Labor. Unlike many on these boards I try to keep an open mind and judge each issue on its merit. And my judgement of the current Labor government is it has too many unuionists leaders with no real life or business experience. The last Labor government was completely incompetent and proved it was unfit to govern through a string of stupid, poorly thought out and implemented, impulsive, poll driven decisions. Many of those people are still warming seats in the current opposion

 

Labors biggest problem is it is currently, more so than in the past completely beholden to the union movement. It needs to free up its pre-selection process to allow other talented, non union affiliated people to join its ranks and provide a broader spectrum of talent and skills than it currently has. There are some within the party who acknowledge this problem and are actively trying to make the changes necessary. If the Labor party can achieve this important reform, it will lead to a much stronger, capable party and Australia as a whole would greatly benefit from this reform process.

 

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@lyndal1838wrote:

At least chameleon does not resort to juvenile name calling unlike the Liberal bashers on the boards.


The liberal party right now is NOT a good party, and NOT a good govt!

they deserve all the bashing they are getting.

they promised if they were elected it would end the BAD govts Labor was supposed to be in charge of.

They lied!

 

Tell me, what liberal party supporter thinks whats been going on during the time the Liberals have been in power has been good?

 

they are suposed to be running our country, not messing around. if Malcolm was really in charge he would just tell those who are not there for the good of the country to pack their bags and leave!

 

its obvious these people are hell bent on getting the liberal party kicked out at the next election.

 

if it was going on in the labor party i'd be very angry and would want heads to roll, no matter whos heads they were!

 

yes, i do support labor (i'm not a member of labor party or have ever given money to them) but if they were behaving like some of the present govt ministers and back benchers i'd be ashamed.

 

running the country is our top jobs, its a privaledge bestowed on a very few.

the PM needs to explain that to his group of no hopers, stop screwing it up and get on with doing the job!

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I would agree with you David that the current Liberal government has been one of the weaker Liberal governments we have had and they are not setting the world on fire. Having said that they are at least providing STABLE government which is a pleasant change from the chaotic, erratic policy on the run decisions of the past Rudd / Gillard regime.

 

Sure the party itself is not stable as the current Barny episode shows, but the governance being delivered is measured and stable. I would be very suprised if a flip flop man like Shorten could lead a stable, progressive government in a situation of minority or near hung government. Give me policy stability over chaos any day.

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well you must be seeing a different govt to me

 

i see so many similaritys to the govt led by julia gillard, also a govt constrained by not being able to govern properly by the numbers.

i felt julia and labor made a huge error taking govt by doing deals with independants and the greens.

 

but thats now history, a history the liberals have repeated allmost word for word

 

said they would never knife a sitting PM, they did.

and that began the rot.

 

same as it did to labor.

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Congratulations David, that is 2 posts where you have been able to express your opinion of the Liberals without resorting to name calling.

It makes it a lot easier to take your opinions seriously when you don't resort to schoolyard name calling.

 

As chameleon says, this Liberal government is certainly not covering itself in glory but it is generally a more stable government than we see in Labor governments.

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@davidc4430wrote:

well you must be seeing a different govt to me

 

i see so many similaritys to the govt led by julia gillard, also a govt constrained by not being able to govern properly by the numbers.

i felt julia and labor made a huge error taking govt by doing deals with independants and the greens.

 

but thats now history, a history the liberals have repeated allmost word for word

 

said they would never knife a sitting PM, they did.

and that began the rot.

 

same as it did to labor.



Setting aside internal party machinations of both parties for a minute, if you actually stop to compare the Governance of the country under the Labor Rudd / Gillard government and the Current Liberal Government, the major difference is stability. The current Liberal government while not providing inspiring visionary leadership is providing policy stability. Under the current Liberal government, business and the general population know what they have got and can make plans for their own personel & business future knowing any major policy changes will be flagged, planned and introduced in a considered and orderly fashion.

 

Under the previous Labor government major policy changes where made as an erratic, knee jerk response to whatever the latest media story or opinion poll said. Huge changes in policy where designed and imlemented in days or weeks without any research or thought to possible consequences.This caused enormous sovereign risk for business who could not plan future investment or business strategy as the legaslitive goal posts could change in the blink of an eye due to a media event or opinion poll. Normally soveriegn risk is associated with international trade or investment. It is almost unheard of for a developed country such as Australia to have its business sector on tender hooks as a result of internal Government sovereign risk.

 

The immediate banning of the live cattle export trade and collapse of this multi-million dollar export industry along with the animal welfare crisis it created is a classic example of the sovereign risk associated with the previous Labor Government. The pink batts scandel where the government encouraged investment in insulation companies without providing the prudential framework for business safety and then just turned the tap off when it all went horribly wrong is another example of Labors erratic, knee jerk gross incompetance.

 

Had Labor approached the Live export issue in a responsible and considered way, phasing the trade out over a period of a couple of years with, governmental support for restructuring the industry to a local processing industry the live export trade would have been permenantly shut down. As it what was achieved ???.

 

Labors policies subjected tens of thousands of cattle to an animal welfarte crisis, farming families went broke, there was a spike in suicides ( human deaths as a direct result of Labors erratic policies ) and several years on the Live export trade is going just as strong as ever. The previous Labor government where grossly incompetant. 

 

 

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pmsl@"childish"   re read some of your own posts sometime    ......  

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