Coronavirus support package

[davidc4430]

Coronavirus support package will see businesses get cash payments and tax relief to get them spending

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-12/coronavirus-economic-stimulus-combatting-the-spread-of-covid-...

oh, its a 'support package' not a 'stimulus package'

totally different then.

give money to welfare cheats? really?

i can think of at least 1 poster here who will not be a happy camper.

[davewil1964]

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@rogespeed wrote:

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@brerrabbit585 wrote:
Call it what you will but double dipping is double dipping. You were prepared to start up a business before the package was announced so nothing has changed, you're no worse off than you were. If the govt gave your business a handout and the business failed, what good has the money done? If it's a sound business it'll survive without a handout.

You seem to have a real obsession about this virus. I'd say it's going to become a self-fulfilling prophecy, ie. you'll get it.

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Financially a business is a separate entity to a private person , therefore a legal representitive or owner can on behalf of the entity  apply for funding - not that it will be always granted , but ethically can apply 

AS for me , the private individual , one must be careful in commenting about issues that may be soley relavent to another country as this can create a backlash from those that may feel intruded upon 

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There it is - the definition of your ethics. Screw what you can instead of working for it.

[rogespeed]

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@davewil1964 wrote:

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@rogespeed wrote:

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@brerrabbit585 wrote:
Call it what you will but double dipping is double dipping. You were prepared to start up a business before the package was announced so nothing has changed, you're no worse off than you were. If the govt gave your business a handout and the business failed, what good has the money done? If it's a sound business it'll survive without a handout.

You seem to have a real obsession about this virus. I'd say it's going to become a self-fulfilling prophecy, ie. you'll get it.

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Financially a business is a separate entity to a private person , therefore a legal representitive or owner can on behalf of the entity  apply for funding - not that it will be always granted , but ethically can apply 

AS for me , the private individual , one must be careful in commenting about issues that may be soley relavent to another country as this can create a backlash from those that may feel intruded upon 

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There it is - the definition of your ethics. Screw what you can instead of working for it.

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When is business somehow not working and when is assistance between jobs unethical ? 

[rogespeed]

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@brerrabbit585 wrote:
You're already getting Newstart while you run your business. In other words the government (taxpayers) are funding your business. How much more do you expect for nothing?

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You can start a business while on Newstart as long as one declares any earnings and complies with the Job Seeker Agreement , if the business is viable and more intensive one has Centrelink NEIS option - which changes out of Newstart obligations - i fail to understand the motive and logic for the attitude in context with this post topic or any of my post replies 

[myoclon1cjerk]

Some parents are going to find it tough. I heard on the grapevine that schools might be closing next week, thereby extending the term break.I think the State involved is Victoria.

[chameleon54]

Lots of people are going to find it tough in all sorts of ways.

I was chatting to a bloke who does a bit of lawn mowing, does a rubbish run for small business etc. On the weekends he sells a few bits and pieces at markets to pay his utility bills. Basically just struggles day by day, week by week. One of the working poor.

The local market has been cancelled at short notice due to the virus. The guy was relying on making his usual couple of hundred dollars to pay the rego on his ute on Monday. No market, No rego for the ute. No rego for the ute and his lawn mowing business is out of action. He was pretty worried and considering driving unregistered, just to put food on the table. He's as honest as you can get, but driven to break the law out of necessity..

[davewil1964]

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@rogespeed wrote:

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@davewil1964 wrote:

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@rogespeed wrote:

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@brerrabbit585 wrote:
Call it what you will but double dipping is double dipping. You were prepared to start up a business before the package was announced so nothing has changed, you're no worse off than you were. If the govt gave your business a handout and the business failed, what good has the money done? If it's a sound business it'll survive without a handout.

You seem to have a real obsession about this virus. I'd say it's going to become a self-fulfilling prophecy, ie. you'll get it.

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Financially a business is a separate entity to a private person , therefore a legal representitive or owner can on behalf of the entity  apply for funding - not that it will be always granted , but ethically can apply 

AS for me , the private individual , one must be careful in commenting about issues that may be soley relavent to another country as this can create a backlash from those that may feel intruded upon 

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There it is - the definition of your ethics. Screw what you can instead of working for it.

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When is business somehow not working and when is assistance between jobs unethical ? 

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My point, as I've already stated, is that a business applying for government assistance, especially when they are sole trader (such as you), might be legal, but it is not necessarily ethical.  You are the one claiming that as a business with one employee you should be able to avail yourself of government welfare and that that is ethical.

The term you should have used is 'legal', which has nothing to do with ethics.

[davidc4430]

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@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
Some parents are going to find it tough. I heard on the grapevine that schools might be closing next week, thereby extending the term break.I think the State involved is Victoria.

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i found it very odd that the prime minister made a point when anouncing the banning of events with over 500 people of saying 'of course that doesnt include schools or uni's'

so its not ok to go to a footy game but its ok for all our kids to be at school?

does he not know how one kid gets lice they all get lice (insert any thing they get ie colds chicken pox ect ect)

yep, good plan there sunshine

[*kazumi*]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

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@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
Some parents are going to find it tough. I heard on the grapevine that schools might be closing next week, thereby extending the term break.I think the State involved is Victoria.

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i found it very odd that the prime minister made a point when anouncing the banning of events with over 500 people of saying 'of course that doesnt include schools or uni's'

so its not ok to go to a footy game but its ok for all our kids to be at school?

does he not know how one kid gets lice they all get lice (insert any thing they get ie colds chicken pox ect ect)

yep, good plan there sunshine

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I think what they do they keep kids in small groups and do not let them all mix during breaks.  Not that I agree with it. 

[*kazumi*]

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@brerrabbit585 wrote:
Call it what you will but double dipping is double dipping. You were prepared to start up a business before the package was announced so nothing has changed, you're no worse off than you were. If the govt gave your business a handout and the business failed, what good has the money done? If it's a sound business it'll survive without a handout.

You seem to have a real obsession about this virus. I'd say it's going to become a self-fulfilling prophecy, ie. you'll get it.

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The virus is going to affect everybody's business; not just people who are starting one now.  And obviously getting sick when you need to work can destroy your business.  Keeping up to date with what is happenning is wise for everybody.  People who understand an minimize their risks are les likely to get it.  It's the likes of the heros who would go to footie or grand prix if it is on, are those more likely to get it. 

[rogespeed]

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@davewil1964 wrote:

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@rogespeed wrote:

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@davewil1964 wrote:

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@rogespeed wrote:

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@brerrabbit585 wrote:
Call it what you will but double dipping is double dipping. You were prepared to start up a business before the package was announced so nothing has changed, you're no worse off than you were. If the govt gave your business a handout and the business failed, what good has the money done? If it's a sound business it'll survive without a handout.

You seem to have a real obsession about this virus. I'd say it's going to become a self-fulfilling prophecy, ie. you'll get it.

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Financially a business is a separate entity to a private person , therefore a legal representitive or owner can on behalf of the entity  apply for funding - not that it will be always granted , but ethically can apply 

AS for me , the private individual , one must be careful in commenting about issues that may be soley relavent to another country as this can create a backlash from those that may feel intruded upon 

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There it is - the definition of your ethics. Screw what you can instead of working for it.

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When is business somehow not working and when is assistance between jobs unethical ? 

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My point, as I've already stated, is that a business applying for government assistance, especially when they are sole trader (such as you), might be legal, but it is not necessarily ethical.  You are the one claiming that as a business with one employee you should be able to avail yourself of government welfare and that that is ethical.

The term you should have used is 'legal', which has nothing to do with ethics.

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My understanding is that business and private concerns are separate activities as evidenced by the requiement for separate tax returns . Is possible especially when starting a business to still be drawing upon Newstart if still meeting the job activity agreement and reporting earnings. This is common for those developing a hobby into a micro-business ( and seasonal casual workers - working poor) while still  seeking regular employment. Earnings declared attract deductions as per a logarithmic scale from Newstart benefit disbursements - so is possible to be registered with Newstart and draw no benefits at all.

©  2020 rogespeed

I await comments regarding ethics and legality in context - also please note your location and national affilitation so as to assist with understanding