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Coronavirus update: Formula One Grand Prix called off, Trump announces travel ban, Tom Hanks tests positive

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-12/coronavirus-live-updates-mclaren-lewis-hamilton-travel-ban/12...

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Coronavirus outbreak onboard Ruby Princess likely from waiter in galley, NSW Police say

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-13/coronavirus-outbreak-on-ruby-princess-from-waiter-police-say/...

 

its the 'lets find a scapegoat investigation'

 

who gives a darn how the virus got on board or how it was spread, its how it got 'offboard' that matters and we all know how that happened dont we?

 

thems what we pay to keep us safe in this kind of situation failed, big time!

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must be so much easier finding small boats way out to sea then sticking those on board in a detension camp in another country than stopping several thousand possibly infected people to just walk off a huge ship!

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must be so much easier finding small boats way out to sea then sticking those on board in a detension camp in another country than stopping several thousand possibly infected people to just walk off a huge ship!


Is a shame is so risky treating infected people - we could do with several thousand more willing workers for the harvast trail for the duration. A fair exchange . 

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Its concerned me for a very long time that Australia has relied too heavily on service industries such as tourism, public servants and hospitality to provide employment, rather than actually producing anything of real value.

 

In relation to Australia's economy, the COVID 19 crisis is showing that the Emperor doesn't have any clothes. Fasten your seat belts ...its going to be a bumpy ride for many years to come.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-14/coronavirus-covid-19-australian-economy-recovery-bounce-back/... 

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Its concerned me for a very long time that Australia has relied too heavily on service industries such as tourism, public servants and hospitality to provide employment, rather than actually producing anything of real value.

 

In relation to Australia's economy, the COVID 19 crisis is showing that the Emperor doesn't have any clothes. Fasten your seat belts ...its going to be a bumpy ride for many years to come.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-14/coronavirus-covid-19-australian-economy-recovery-bounce-back/... 


my view was we joined the world comerce system

we were sold the 'we are creating a level playing field'

except its not and never will be a level playing field

some countries will allways pay their people poorly so they can have an advantage for making stuff.

 

some say 'well australian workers wanted to be paid too much'

no they didnt, they just wanted a wage that gave them a decent life.

ive never heard one person pointing at another saying that who was saying they themselves were being over paid

we love pointing at others and winging!

never looking in the mirror.

 

what we also ignore is if other countries paid their workers properly we can kiss goodbye to our reasonably priced everything!

if these countries who are making all the stuff we used to make paid their workers properly we would all need more money!

its a vicious circle

how many of us are prepared to pay more? really?

we cant pay more, we dont have the spare cash.

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Coronavirus update: New York deaths surge past 10,000, France extends lockdown, some businesses reopen in Spain

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-14/coronavirus-update-new-york-death-toll,-testing-shortage/1214...

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Australia has one of the highest standards of living in the world, but we are relatively poor at producing anything of intrinsic value. This wealth is built on three things 

 

1) A sparsely populated, huge land with an abundance of natural resources ( wealth ) which is being distributed amongst an ever increasing population due to migration policies

 

2) Debt 

 

3) selling out intellectual property, finest real estate property, water and mineral wealth to international buyers for a pittance.

 

Its simply unsustainable and I suspect the COVID 19 crisis which will result in mass unemployment may go some way to returning some balance, accelerating the fall in Australians long term living standards that was already occurring before the virus. Exemplified by stagnant wages at a time of relative employment stability.

 

Its unavoidable in the long term. Australia simply has to have a standard of living that reflects its productivity compared to others in the world. The longer we put it off by borrowing ever increasing amounts from overseas and selling the family silver to maintain our living standards, the harder the crash when it finally comes.

 

People can hide from the truth, hoping the endless gravy train of foreign and government money will continue forever.  But in the long term, like gravity, our living standards will have to fall back to earth. Its simply unavoidable. Covid 19 may well prove to be the essential initiator of the process.

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i can only assume you are willing to 'do you bit'

 

lower your income to third world standards?

so your produce has a better chance to compete with cheap imports?

by you being willing to sell your produce at half the going rate that will mean everyone who is now much poorer will be able to choose your stuff instead of that imported stuff?

 

now we just need everyone to joing you in your quest.

every company to half its prices thus becoming competitive

with lower prices lower wages will follow right?

 

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i can only assume you are willing to 'do you bit'

 

Yes I,ve already been " doing my bit " for a very long time. Producing export income and seeing most of what I earn in income being redistributed to others who are not doing their bit. I,m also retaining my little piece of quality Australian agricultural land in Australian ownership, rather than selling it out to international buyers as is occurring with other farms around me. One of the properties I lease to graze sheep on was sold to Chinese investors a few months ago. Its already happening all around me.

 

lower your income to third world standards?

 

My standard of living is already very much lower than the national average, so yes I,m already " doing my bit " on this front

 

 

so your produce has a better chance to compete with cheap imports?

 

Again I,m already " doing my bit " on this front. Producing a product that Australia is a nett EXPORTER of. Prime lamb. I,m already producing export income that does not have to compete with other international producers. Australia is the largest exporter of lamb in the world.

 

by you being willing to sell your produce at half the going rate that will mean everyone who is now much poorer will be able to choose your stuff instead of that imported stuff?

 

I,m already selling my product at the " lowest going rate " an international market is willing to pay. ie. I,m already internationally competitive, unlike just about every other sector of Australian employment. Don't believe me ?.... Then why don't we have a car industry in Australia anymore. ?

 

now we just need everyone to joing you in your quest.

 

Exactly my point !.....Smiley Happy Although its not my personal quest. ( I would like to live high on the hog forever, from a mythical money tree, just as much as anyone else )  Its simply an economic reality that we cant avoid. ie. very simple, basic maths.

 

every company to half its prices thus becoming competitive

with lower prices lower wages will follow right?

 

That's about it in a nut shell. If we don't lower the price of our products and services by reducing wages, we will simply export our jobs to other countries. You don't have to take my word for it, we have already seen it happen with automotive production, dried fruit production, white goods manufacturing and even our submarine expenditure. You can also look to stagnant wage growth and falling standards of social services ie the dole etc as leading indicators of whats already happening..

 

Failure to reduce wages to sustainable levels will result in increased unemployment, lower tax take and even further reduced social services. 

 

We either take the pain now with slowly deflating wages and higher unemployment or hold off until it crashes around our ears in dramatic style!

 


 

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