Coronavirus update

[davidc4430]

Coronavirus update: Formula One Grand Prix called off, Trump announces travel ban, Tom Hanks tests positive

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-12/coronavirus-live-updates-mclaren-lewis-hamilton-travel-ban/12...

[davewil1964]

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@lionrose.7 wrote:

They are all Americans and brother and sister, they should all help each other to try and stop the Virus, I Am All Right Jack does not work.

This stupid separation thing is stupid it is like they are all different countries.

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Australians.

[not_for_sale]

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@rogevibe wrote:

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@k1ooo-slr-sales wrote:

to me, the argument "you haven't had a case in over 2 weeks" is a case in point for keeping the borders closed.

There is little upside in states like QLD, TAS, SA, WA & NT opening their borders to states that are routinely recording new cases and/or outbreaks.

I'd love to pop over to Adelaide for a weekend as it is only 4hrs away. But I support SA keeping the borders closed.

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Many States do not want to have to clean up some other States infection mess 

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I tend to agree. Even Morrison has changed his focus away from health. While the economy and jobs are extremely important, Premiers like Annastacia Palaszczuk are keeping health the number one priority and continue to tread carefully based upon the health advice they are receiving. The timing is crucial and NSW and Vic seem a little impatient to me. Why are politicians so hard to trust?

[chameleon54]

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@lionrose.7 wrote:

They are all Americans and brother and sister, they should all help each other to try and stop the Virus, I Am All Right Jack does not work.

This stupid separation thing is stupid it is like they are all different countries.

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The " I,m all right Jack ' statement shows a lack of understanding about what is actually happening. 

Different states tackled the virus in different ways. Some where pretty slack ie ruby Princess and allowed infection to spread far and wide very quickly. Conversely South Australia acted fast with border closures, very high testing rates right from the start and a strong emphasis and resourcing of contact tracing for those infected. South Australia was initially tracking higher than some other states with infection rates but due to diligent action the S.A. government appears to have achieved what was initially thought impossible. That is the complete removal of Covid 19 from the state. The two positive cases seen in the state in the last 5 - 6 weeks have both been imported from interstate or overseas, due to break downs in border security.

South Australia now has the luxury of opening up its businesses and social engagements with much less worry of a second wave of the disease at this difficult winter period than those state governments who where less vigilant. .

More importantly, South Australia's senior citizens can re-engage with family, friends and life in general with more confidence than the elderly in some other states.

The small benefits to be gained by opening South Australia's borders to possibly infected interstate travellers is far outweighed by the risks to the local economy, mental well being and social life associated with a second wave of the disease.

Rather than border closures being stupid, it is a simple, common sense, logical way to try to maintain our possible Covid free status, at least until other state governments get their act together and start to control their community transmission.

[chameleon54]

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@not_for_sale wrote:

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@rogevibe wrote:

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@k1ooo-slr-sales wrote:

to me, the argument "you haven't had a case in over 2 weeks" is a case in point for keeping the borders closed.

There is little upside in states like QLD, TAS, SA, WA & NT opening their borders to states that are routinely recording new cases and/or outbreaks.

I'd love to pop over to Adelaide for a weekend as it is only 4hrs away. But I support SA keeping the borders closed.

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Many States do not want to have to clean up some other States infection mess 

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I tend to agree. Even Morrison has changed his focus away from health. While the economy and jobs are extremely important, Premiers like Annastacia Palaszczuk are keeping health the number one priority and continue to tread carefully based upon the health advice they are receiving. The timing is crucial and NSW and Vic seem a little impatient to me. Why are politicians so hard to trust?

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It seems a little ironic that the state governments who are bleating loudest about opening up borders are the same governments that have been the least effective in managing the disease. I,m with the W.A. premier. Why would we take advice from them on a health issue that could potentially kill many of our more senior citizens.

All they see is dollar signs and to he!! with how many interstate, old people die. The call to open borders is all about greed and nothing to do with containing a major health issue.

[davidc4430]

Coronavirus update: Israel considers reimposing restrictions as infections rise again, monkeys steal test samples

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-30/coronavirus-update-may-30/12302568

"the monkeys done it!"

[rogevibe]

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@lionrose.7 wrote:

They are all Americans and brother and sister, they should all help each other to try and stop the Virus, I Am All Right Jack does not work.

This stupid separation thing is stupid it is like they are all different countries.

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Federated States of Australia - 3 tiers of Government - traditionally were separated incl customs and tariffs , early 1800's each State originally attracting a different migrant set due to in part trading circumstances ie ( and generalising) Victoria - alluvial gold attracting a cosmopolitan mix of hard working risk taking hopefuls and soon to be upwardly mobile wealthy, NSW , first colony with excellent port facilities so ongoing international trade centre,Upper Anglo centric  landed gentry opening up vast pastoral regions with wool becoming a premium export product , QLD - exotic produce , laid back tropical plantation lifestyle overseeing islander labour but not assimilating - train line from the south stops at the border thank you.

Attitudes cascade down the generations - for most families that economically count , modern Australia is only 5 or 6 generations at most - in some ways the Australian states are viewed as separate countries - however such sentiment has been moderated in recent times with the nation wide mas influx of diverse migrants competing equally with slowly assimilating progeny due to economic success , a common accent, lack of ethnic-related threats and living space  - a new land of she will be right and no worries and life goes on.

The instinct is to contain the health issue within the realm of the State medical infrastructure - as for travel for vacations , at this time is probably considered plenty of venues in ones own State - only takes one super spreader within a closed multi-age venue....and no sense in stirriing up animosity. 

[*kazumi*]

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@chameleon54 wrote:

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@not_for_sale wrote:

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@rogevibe wrote:

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@k1ooo-slr-sales wrote:

to me, the argument "you haven't had a case in over 2 weeks" is a case in point for keeping the borders closed.

There is little upside in states like QLD, TAS, SA, WA & NT opening their borders to states that are routinely recording new cases and/or outbreaks.

I'd love to pop over to Adelaide for a weekend as it is only 4hrs away. But I support SA keeping the borders closed.

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Many States do not want to have to clean up some other States infection mess 

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I tend to agree. Even Morrison has changed his focus away from health. While the economy and jobs are extremely important, Premiers like Annastacia Palaszczuk are keeping health the number one priority and continue to tread carefully based upon the health advice they are receiving. The timing is crucial and NSW and Vic seem a little impatient to me. Why are politicians so hard to trust?

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It seems a little ironic that the state governments who are bleating loudest about opening up borders are the same governments that have been the least effective in managing the disease. I,m with the W.A. premier. Why would we take advice from them on a health issue that could potentially kill many of our more senior citizens.

All they see is dollar signs and to he!! with how many interstate, old people die. The call to open borders is all about greed and nothing to do with containing a major health issue.

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Why do people not understand that more people stay at home, more people properly isolate, more people wear masks sooner we will get rid of the virus?  Yes, economy is very important, but more people travel on public transport or fly in this moment, more likely it is that we will have more outbreaks.  Then more schools and businesses will have to close again. 

I do feel for people who depend on tourism for their income, especially those in the fire ravaged areas, but going back to "normal" is NOT going to help them.  To start with there are not the normal cashed up overseas visitors coming in, and will not be for a long time, and Australians all have less money to spend on holidays.  Even those who have been working are worried what future may bring, and are careful how much they spend.  Frankly, there is absolutely no way I would get on a plane if masks were not mandatory.  Nor would I go to a shop where the assistants, who face one customer after other the whole day, do not have masks.

[rogevibe]

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@*kazumi* wrote:

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@chameleon54 wrote:

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@not_for_sale wrote:

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@rogevibe wrote:

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@k1ooo-slr-sales wrote:

to me, the argument "you haven't had a case in over 2 weeks" is a case in point for keeping the borders closed.

There is little upside in states like QLD, TAS, SA, WA & NT opening their borders to states that are routinely recording new cases and/or outbreaks.

I'd love to pop over to Adelaide for a weekend as it is only 4hrs away. But I support SA keeping the borders closed.

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Many States do not want to have to clean up some other States infection mess 

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I tend to agree. Even Morrison has changed his focus away from health. While the economy and jobs are extremely important, Premiers like Annastacia Palaszczuk are keeping health the number one priority and continue to tread carefully based upon the health advice they are receiving. The timing is crucial and NSW and Vic seem a little impatient to me. Why are politicians so hard to trust?

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It seems a little ironic that the state governments who are bleating loudest about opening up borders are the same governments that have been the least effective in managing the disease. I,m with the W.A. premier. Why would we take advice from them on a health issue that could potentially kill many of our more senior citizens.

All they see is dollar signs and to he!! with how many interstate, old people die. The call to open borders is all about greed and nothing to do with containing a major health issue.

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Why do people not understand that more people stay at home, more people properly isolate, more people wear masks sooner we will get rid of the virus?  Yes, economy is very important, but more people travel on public transport or fly in this moment, more likely it is that we will have more outbreaks.  Then more schools and businesses will have to close again. 

I do feel for people who depend on tourism for their income, especially those in the fire ravaged areas, but going back to "normal" is NOT going to help them.  To start with there are not the normal cashed up overseas visitors coming in, and will not be for a long time, and Australians all have less money to spend on holidays.  Even those who have been working are worried what future may bring, and are careful how much they spend.  Frankly, there is absolutely no way I would get on a plane if masks were not mandatory.  Nor would I go to a shop where the assistants, who face one customer after other the whole day, do not have masks.

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The sooner we can eradicate the pest from our shores the faster most can return to maybe even a better lifestyle - prbably more meaningful money sloshing around in household accounts now than before - meaningful is spending with revised intent in the light of maybe less national vain living 

[lionrose.7]

I was actually talking about America but if you want to make it about Australia that fine they do have States as well

[davewil1964]

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@lionrose.7 wrote:

I was actually talking about America but if you want to make it about Australia that fine they do have States as well

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Sorry for my confusion. I thought 'I'm alright, Jack' was an Australian expression