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on 09-07-2020 12:53 AM
@lionrose.7 wrote:$800 a fortnight is not just for food, medical bills, Power, Phone, clothes, petrol,
Winter heating bills are higher
When you take all this out does not leave a lot for food, some have to be on a specail diet.
Maybe the cost of living is higher in NZ than it is in Au?
09-07-2020 01:01 AM - edited 09-07-2020 01:06 AM
@*kazumi* wrote:
@lionrose.7 wrote:$800 a fortnight is not just for food, medical bills, Power, Phone, clothes, petrol,
Winter heating bills are higher
When you take all this out does not leave a lot for food, some have to be on a specail diet.
Most doctors in Melbourne bulk bill everybody, medications are only few dollars for concession card holders. The flats are not very big, so would not take much to heat. I live in spacious and cold house, I run my gas heater whole day, and heat my bedroom and sewing room with Dimplex heaters for about $150 a fortnight. I am not saying that people on old age pension are wealthy, but they should not be running out of food 2 days before next pension day. Of-course, people on the pre-COVID dole would be another story, BUT that is not the way now with all benefits doubling.
Anyway, now we are all in lockdown and nobody is going to be dropping food parcels on my doorsteps. Not that I am complaining; I understand that without taking harsh measures things will only get worse. But I am greatly inconvenienced by it. I have heaps of things to do and I need some paint and other materials, which I did not manage to get today.
Actually you are complaining, if not getting a few pots of paint is your greatest worry, you aren't doing to badly ............ Most of Au is inconvenienced by this pandemic
on 09-07-2020 09:03 AM
@*kazumi* wrote:
@lionrose.7 wrote:$800 a fortnight is not just for food, medical bills, Power, Phone, clothes, petrol,
Winter heating bills are higher
When you take all this out does not leave a lot for food, some have to be on a specail diet.
Most doctors in Melbourne bulk bill everybody, medications are only few dollars for concession card holders. The flats are not very big, so would not take much to heat. I live in spacious and cold house, I run my gas heater whole day, and heat my bedroom and sewing room with Dimplex heaters for about $150 a fortnight. I am not saying that people on old age pension are wealthy, but they should not be running out of food 2 days before next pension day. Of-course, people on the pre-COVID dole would be another story, BUT that is not the way now with all benefits doubling.
Anyway, now we are all in lockdown and nobody is going to be dropping food parcels on my doorsteps. Not that I am complaining; I understand that without taking harsh measures things will only get worse. But I am greatly inconvenienced by it. I have heaps of things to do and I need some paint and other materials, which I did not manage to get today.
OK, so I will point out the elephant in the room ( and cop the venom from the usuals again )
Quite a few ( but certainly not all ) people on welfare simply don't know how to manage money. It doesn't matter how much they are given, it just disappears with very little to show for it. And the proof ? You only need to look at our indigenous communities. They receive an ever increasing fortune in government support and mining royalties but the ingrained poverty and social disadvantage does not seem to get any better for those living on the community settlements regardless of how much money is sent their way.
Many people on welfare come from families with inter generational poverty. Their parents didn't know how to work or manage their money and they ended up on welfare. They didn't have the skills to teach their children how to manage money. The kids mainly learn by example and many just copy what mum and dad do.
The smarter welfare family kids see the mistakes, take a different path in life, accept the extra educational and community support, get a job and break the cycle of welfare dependency, leaving those who are not savvy enough behind, entrenched on welfare dependency. These are the ones we see left behind in the towers in Melbourne.
Then there are those with mental health issues. These often go hand in hand with dependency issues. The two combined mean that welfare money soon disappears. While some of those affected can not be helped further, the answer for some is intensive education and ongoing support by councillors trained in money management and dependency issues.
Another useful tool is income management for vulnerable people with a history of financial mismanagement as tried by the government recently in some communities. It shouldn't be applied broadly to every Centrelink customer as the majority do a perfectly good job of making the best use of what they are given and further intrusions into their life by the state are demeaning and discriminatory, but for a targeted group, the income management system has merit.
No one likes to admit these things and its not politically correct to point it out, ( I,m sure a few of the usuals will be " highly offended " a-g-a-i-n ) but that is just the uncomfortable reality.
on 09-07-2020 09:32 AM
Makes the Victorian Labor Premier Andrews statement of " why would you want to go to South Australia " a couple of weeks ago, look pretty childish and petty doesnt it.
on 09-07-2020 10:26 AM
@chameleon54 wrote:
@*kazumi* wrote:
@lionrose.7 wrote:$800 a fortnight is not just for food, medical bills, Power, Phone, clothes, petrol,
Winter heating bills are higher
When you take all this out does not leave a lot for food, some have to be on a specail diet.
Most doctors in Melbourne bulk bill everybody, medications are only few dollars for concession card holders. The flats are not very big, so would not take much to heat. I live in spacious and cold house, I run my gas heater whole day, and heat my bedroom and sewing room with Dimplex heaters for about $150 a fortnight. I am not saying that people on old age pension are wealthy, but they should not be running out of food 2 days before next pension day. Of-course, people on the pre-COVID dole would be another story, BUT that is not the way now with all benefits doubling.
Anyway, now we are all in lockdown and nobody is going to be dropping food parcels on my doorsteps. Not that I am complaining; I understand that without taking harsh measures things will only get worse. But I am greatly inconvenienced by it. I have heaps of things to do and I need some paint and other materials, which I did not manage to get today.
OK, so I will point out the elephant in the room ( and cop the venom from the usuals again )
Quite a few ( but certainly not all ) people on welfare simply don't know how to manage money. It doesn't matter how much they are given, it just disappears with very little to show for it. And the proof ? You only need to look at our indigenous communities. They receive an ever increasing fortune in government support and mining royalties but the ingrained poverty and social disadvantage does not seem to get any better for those living on the community settlements regardless of how much money is sent their way.
Many people on welfare come from families with inter generational poverty. Their parents didn't know how to work or manage their money and they ended up on welfare. They didn't have the skills to teach their children how to manage money. The kids mainly learn by example and many just copy what mum and dad do.
The smarter welfare family kids see the mistakes, take a different path in life, accept the extra educational and community support, get a job and break the cycle of welfare dependency, leaving those who are not savvy enough behind, entrenched on welfare dependency. These are the ones we see left behind in the towers in Melbourne.
Then there are those with mental health issues. These often go hand in hand with dependency issues. The two combined mean that welfare money soon disappears. While some of those affected can not be helped further, the answer for some is intensive education and ongoing support by councillors trained in money management and dependency issues.
Another useful tool is income management for vulnerable people with a history of financial mismanagement as tried by the government recently in some communities. It shouldn't be applied broadly to every Centrelink customer as the majority do a perfectly good job of making the best use of what they are given and further intrusions into their life by the state are demeaning and discriminatory, but for a targeted group, the income management system has merit.
No one likes to admit these things and its not politically correct to point it out, ( I,m sure a few of the usuals will be " highly offended " a-g-a-i-n ) but that is just the uncomfortable reality.
Basically E-listers are managed - social life restricted , basically under house arrest with four options : booze, drugs , sex , netflix , with or without approved company
on 09-07-2020 10:33 AM
I think people are willing to cut our political leaders a fair bit of slack through this crisis regardless of which brand they represent. We accept its policy made on the run and sometimes mistakes will be made, but when will the voters draw the line and say enough is enough ?
on 09-07-2020 11:29 AM
@chameleon54 wrote:Makes the Victorian Labor Premier Andrews statement of " why would you want to go to South Australia " a couple of weeks ago, look pretty childish and petty doesnt it.
exactly what i said at the time and several times since
we had both premiers of victoria and NSW taking cheap shots in the media at our govt for not opening the borders fast enough for them to get traffic in and out from SA
mr andrews poke at 'why would anyone wanna go to adelaide' has really come back to bite a hole in his pants backkside!
now 90% of his people wanna be anywhere but in victoria!
we sure dont want em in SA
when out govt said it was too soon to be 'getting back to normal' our much smarter NSW and victorian govts poo pooed that
your a nanny state theres no reason not to reduce the restriction, just watch how us experts do it was the way it came across.
sadly its the people who are suffering in those states
on 09-07-2020 01:03 PM
Hopefully it will make the S.A. Premier think a little harder before opening any borders up. It appears that S.A. has managed to stamp the virus out and we are lucky to be experiencing life as per normal in the state. Why would you risk that by opening borders with states that still have active community transmission?
on 09-07-2020 01:04 PM
@chameleon54 wrote:
OK, so I will point out the elephant in the room ( and cop the venom from the usuals again )
Quite a few ( but certainly not all ) people on welfare simply don't know how to manage money. It doesn't matter how much they are given, it just disappears with very little to show for it. And the proof ? You only need to look at our indigenous communities. They receive an ever increasing fortune in government support and mining royalties but the ingrained poverty and social disadvantage does not seem to get any better for those living on the community settlements regardless of how much money is sent their way.
Many people on welfare come from families with inter generational poverty. Their parents didn't know how to work or manage their money and they ended up on welfare. They didn't have the skills to teach their children how to manage money. The kids mainly learn by example and many just copy what mum and dad do.
The smarter welfare family kids see the mistakes, take a different path in life, accept the extra educational and community support, get a job and break the cycle of welfare dependency, leaving those who are not savvy enough behind, entrenched on welfare dependency. These are the ones we see left behind in the towers in Melbourne.
Then there are those with mental health issues. These often go hand in hand with dependency issues. The two combined mean that welfare money soon disappears. While some of those affected can not be helped further, the answer for some is intensive education and ongoing support by councillors trained in money management and dependency issues.
Another useful tool is income management for vulnerable people with a history of financial mismanagement as tried by the government recently in some communities. It shouldn't be applied broadly to every Centrelink customer as the majority do a perfectly good job of making the best use of what they are given and further intrusions into their life by the state are demeaning and discriminatory, but for a targeted group, the income management system has merit.
No one likes to admit these things and its not politically correct to point it out, ( I,m sure a few of the usuals will be " highly offended " a-g-a-i-n ) but that is just the uncomfortable reality.
You are 100% correct as far as I am concerned.
Often, poverty isn't just about the amount of money coming in, it is about a person's social values/upbringing and ability to manage that money.
You only have to look at the records for tattslotto winners. Some of them have been people in generational poverty, they come into a million or more $ and yet within a couple of years, may be back where they started.
Same with (some) TV stars.
Saving money, valuing education and a good job are usually from middle class mind sets.
A person can have very little money but be in a middle class mind set.
That's not to say people brought up with middle class values never run into trouble either. I knew of a young couple both on very high wages, whose marriage exploded because the husband was addicted to gambling and could not manage to pay towards food etc, even on a wage nudging the $200,000 pa mark.
09-07-2020 01:11 PM - edited 09-07-2020 01:12 PM
@chameleon54 wrote:Hopefully it will make the S.A. Premier think a little harder before opening any borders up. It appears that S.A. has managed to stamp the virus out and we are lucky to be experiencing life as per normal in the state. Why would you risk that by opening borders with states that still have active community transmission?
I'm in Vic and I have felt all along that the other states should have shut their borders to Vic & NSW. NSW appears to be practically over it at the moment (only 5 active cases, according to the covid live site) but whether it can be contained in metro Melbourne, I don't know.
Once this virus gets going, there is no stopping it.
Best to just let it rage through Vic, we don't need the whole of Aust coming down with it.
One annoying/.worrying thing our Dan had to say yesterda was that there were too many new cases coming up for his workers to track the transmission. With a population of over 6 million in the state, I wonder why there were not contingency plans to be able to cope with up to 200 cases a day, it was always a possibility this would happen, it isn't as if they haven't had months to prepare.
Other states, stay shut till the end of the year if you can or until this virus is down close to zero in every state.