on 13-03-2020 07:07 AM
Coronavirus update: Formula One Grand Prix called off, Trump announces travel ban, Tom Hanks tests positive
on 30-10-2020 12:10 PM
@lionrose.7 wrote:Stupid Fox news LOL
NO we are not locked up in camps we have 4 and 5 star Hotels to do the lock down
Stupid Bimbo trying to do the kiwi accent LOL and with a old vid of jacinda at the start of the virus
Wow they must be so jealous of NZ
People on Twitter are showing picture of sun bathing on Beaches and saying OMG I am in hell LOL
That is hilarious🤣
I notice that Fox News is still being spelled incorrectly........should be FAUX News😏
on 30-10-2020 03:12 PM
on 30-10-2020 03:59 PM
@gewens wrote:
Hello, everyone. It's very important to keep your discussion relevant to the topic. If you have something else to talk about, please start a new thread. Remember irrelevant posts might be removed. Thanks.
Dear Gewens may I please point out
Just what my posts were all about.
This thread, as can be plainly seen
Has a Coronavirus theme,
In which regard a claim was made
That State law had been disobeyed.
The target of this allegation
Provided us an explanation,
But the accuser in reply
Proclaimed her story was a lie
No kind of evidence was shown
To back this accusation thrown
And so to set the matter straight
I felt it only fair to state
The possible ramifications
Of posting specious allegations -
Comments I would postulate
Were quite germane to the debate.
on 30-10-2020 04:18 PM
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
@lyhargr_0 wrote:
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:Assumption is the mother of all stuff-us.
Tis not an assumption it's a FACT ........ Most ( if not all ) the cases of Covid virus which have occurred in rural Vic were brought there by someone who had travelled there from Melb.
And your comment This story has more holes in it than a block of swiss cheese: was that a fact or an assumption?
It seems to me - it was neither - but just an opinion.
All are allowed those.
31-10-2020 08:30 AM - edited 31-10-2020 08:35 AM
@debra9275 wrote:I get that info from reviews like these
https://7news.com.au/business/economy/tasmania-ties-vic-for-best-state-economy-c-1000111
“Victoria has now held top position in the economic rankings - either outright or shared - for eight quarterly surveys,” CommSec said.
Victoria fell four spots on equipment investment, three spots on dwelling starts and two on relative unemployment while improving on housing finance.
this second link is from last year,
there is a current one that was done this month showing Tassie number one Vic number 2 NSW number 4
The figures in your channel seven fluff piece where provided by Commsec.............Hardly a reliable, reputable, trusted source.
https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/commsec
If you are relying on tabloid media fluff pieces for your financial information it explains a lot. The problem with the figures usually quoted by these private investment organisations is they inevitably rely on taxable income sources as the basis for their blurbs. They completely ignore those who rely on social security payments as their main income source. ( those people dont count according to share investment broking firms such as the one quoated in your fluff piece )
In states like South Australia ( oldest population by state in Australia ) and Tasmania ( second oldest population by state in Australia ) and Victoria, ( high migrant population and a lot of people relying on social security payments generally ) the most accurate indicator of how the state is really doing for ALL individuals ( not just those with a job ) is GSP per capita. This is also the standardised accounting method used world wide to accurately assess productivity.
The figures are clear. ( refer previous post with link to ABS figures .....not Commsec ) In 2019 under Dan Andrews, Victorians Gross state production per capita ( what they actually produced or " real income " ) was the third worst in the country, just ahead of Tasmania and South Australia.
Victoria may be travelling OK for those who have a job but for the forgotten Victorians who rely on benefits as their main source of income and face much higher housing costs than most other Australians, life is truly looking pretty bleak under the Dan Andrews Labor government.
on 31-10-2020 09:26 AM
the latest 'state of the states' from Commsec.. Vic has dropped to third.. NSW is still 4th... now that we're opening up, I expect that we'll start moving upwards again
https://www.commsec.com.au/stateofstates
(PS.those log in details aren't real)\
click on each state to see how they compare Chameleon
I don't regard Commsec as 'fluff"
31-10-2020 12:31 PM - edited 31-10-2020 12:36 PM
@debra9275 wrote:the latest 'state of the states' from Commsec.. Vic has dropped to third.. NSW is still 4th... now that we're opening up, I expect that we'll start moving upwards again
https://www.commsec.com.au/stateofstates
(PS.those log in details aren't real)\
click on each state to see how they compare Chameleon
I don't regard Commsec as 'fluff"
Rated 1.8 stars out of five. You might not regard commsec as fluff, but over 100 users of their system obviously don't agree with you.
https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/commsec
If you choose to believe tabloid media fluff pieces backed by share broking company, Commsec's analysis above Australian Bureau of Statistics data, ( which clearly shows Victoria lagging other highly populated states ) there's not really much point in me even trying to have a reasoned, intelligent discussion of the issue with you.
on 31-10-2020 12:44 PM
@chameleon54 wrote:
the most accurate indicator of how the state is really doing for ALL individuals ( not just those with a job ) is GSP per capita. This is also the standardised accounting method used world wide to accurately assess productivity.
It's just total income divided by the amount of people in the state and has NOTHING to do with the individual as they are just a number.
For example you could have one source make 100 million dollars and a 1000 people earning a low of $20.000 each for a total of 120 million which makes it just under 120 thousand per capita which looks inflated as it has no benefit for the 1000 low earners so does nothing for them at all.
The NT for instance has a very high number/percentage of people on social security and a low density of piopulation in a big area of land that produced a fair bit of wealth similar to WA who has all those mining operations to help boost the GSP.(Gross state product).
Victoria has none of that on a very small piece of land with a high population so it would be impossible for them to rank high on GSP per capita as they don't have the land mass,mining and such that artificially increase the "wealth" of any state as the profits go into the pockets of the owners who tend to pay very little or no tax.
GSP growth is what determines whether a government is doing better and should be the only barometers on whether they are doing their job or not and currently Victoria sits 2nd alongside NSW at 3%
WA is 1 % and NT is is -1.5% so their governments are lacking a bit in stimulating growth as they probaly don't think they need to as they have a high GSP in place already due to their land mass and resources that are getting stripped from that land.
on 31-10-2020 02:22 PM
@chameleon54 wrote:
This shows up as the low GSP per capita figure illustrated in the ABS figures which gives the clearest guide as to how things really are on the ground for individual residents in the state..
But it doesn't as I illustrated that the individual gains nothing from the GSP per capita so basically saying that it compares to 100 thousand per capita as per some charts means diddly squat to the individual as they are still only getting the $20.000 as in my example.
The NT also has a high number of indigenous Aussies so most would be lower income earners and the same would apply to them that an average of 100 K plus per capita means nothing to the individual and doesn't make them better or worse of.
So it's false economics as there is no benefit in the NT or WA for 95% of the people in those states as the 95% of the GSP is produced by the low amount of high income earners some of who may not even live in that state and remove all those profits out of that state.
Just because it's produced in that state doesn't mean that it will stay in that state as it's only a measure of how much is produced in that state.
Also the links/graphs shown were from the last few year so show growth pre-covid.
31-10-2020 04:40 PM - edited 31-10-2020 04:41 PM
@chameleon54 wrote:
@debra9275 wrote:the latest 'state of the states' from Commsec.. Vic has dropped to third.. NSW is still 4th... now that we're opening up, I expect that we'll start moving upwards again
https://www.commsec.com.au/stateofstates
(PS.those log in details aren't real)\
click on each state to see how they compare Chameleon
I don't regard Commsec as 'fluff"
Rated 1.8 stars out of five. You might not regard commsec as fluff, but over 100 users of their system obviously don't agree with you.
https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/commsec
If you choose to believe tabloid media fluff pieces backed by share broking company, Commsec's analysis above Australian Bureau of Statistics data, ( which clearly shows Victoria lagging other highly populated states ) there's not really much point in me even trying to have a reasoned, intelligent discussion of the issue with you.
Most of the reviews appear to be about customer service (or lack thereof), not what is being discussed