Discussion that challenges supposed mainstream beliefs and officially accepted stances

[4channel]

Some issues when discussed can cause a range of reactions. Sometimes they can lead to an awakening, the beginning of a journey to discovering something new, or they can can cause a certain type of reaction in a person who may not like what they hear. I think that it's all about how we choose to deal with the info we're hearing and how we process it.

Take the issues of let's say ....  fluoride and mobile phone tower radiation. The government has allowed the fluoridation of our water and they have allowed the construction of mobile phone towers in residential areas. Does that mean the water is safe to drink and it causes no ill affect? Does that mean that the mobile phone towers are safe?  What about the handsets. Are they safe for children to use and hold against their heads?

Well, we discuss these things and some people do react angrily to the people discussing these issues. Does this mean that we have to stop discussion that challenges the supposed official stance or challenges what we are told is the mainstream belief? Do we have to self-censor or have this in a [private group? I have noticed that in discussion forums or the media that racist beliefs are a;allowed a platform and yet issues that many folk feel that need to be addressed because of health concerns are not given the same platform. To me racism is abhorrent and yet in the media, it gets the pass ticket while issues that some call important to health freedom do not! Why is that?  Could it be political? What are your thoughts?

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This is a discussion that some people here would be interested in while others may not be. Folks with opposing views are welcome as  always. Please, if someone has an issue with these topics being discussed or another member, could they refrain from any attacks on others or deliberately flooding this thread with off topic filler.

[icyfroth]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@davewil1964 wrote:

I think that they are subject to confirmation bias, and are unwilling to objectively look at the proven science.

And the thread title is the thread title, regardless of post-posting remorse.

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There is mainstream "proven science" and there is proven science which is buried, silenced,  taken out of context, deliberately discredited and/or held up for derision to render it ineffective.

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If Moses supposes his toeses are roses,

Then Moses supposes erroneously;

For nobody's toeses are posies or roses,

As Moses supposes his toeses to be.

(Anon. English nonsense rhyme c 1890)

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"Nonsense" being the operative word.

[the_great_she_elephant]

Icyfroth wrote: If flouride is a known  toxin, why is it being added to our drinking water, even in small amounts?

Here are a few vitamins that are proven to be toxic if taken in excess, as well as their symptoms of overdose:

• Iron- Nausea, bloody stools, diarrhea, dizziness, headache, fluid build-up in the lungs and fever.
• Vitamin A-Hair loss, liver damage, severe headaches, bone pain, blurred vision, dry skin and vomiting
• Vitamin D- Abnormal heart rhythm, constipation, frequent urination, muscle weakness and confusion.
• Vitamin E- Interferes with the body’s ability to clot blood, which can be harmful for those on blood thinning medication
• B Vitamins-B6 in excess can cause nerve damage; while B3 can cause jaundice, elevated liver enzyme levels and nausea.
• https://www.flushinghospital.org/newsletter/can-you-overdose-on-vitamins/#:~:text=Vitamin%20overdose....

[icyfroth]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

Icyfroth wrote: If flouride is a known  toxin, why is it being added to our drinking water, even in small amounts?

Here are a few vitamins that are proven to be toxic if taken in excess, as well as their symptoms of overdose:

• Iron- Nausea, bloody stools, diarrhea, dizziness, headache, fluid build-up in the lungs and fever.
• Vitamin A-Hair loss, liver damage, severe headaches, bone pain, blurred vision, dry skin and vomiting
• Vitamin D- Abnormal heart rhythm, constipation, frequent urination, muscle weakness and confusion.
• Vitamin E- Interferes with the body’s ability to clot blood, which can be harmful for those on blood thinning medication
• B Vitamins-B6 in excess can cause nerve damage; while B3 can cause jaundice, elevated liver enzyme levels and nausea.
• https://www.flushinghospital.org/newsletter/can-you-overdose-on-vitamins/#:~:text=Vitamin%20overdose....

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But they're not introduced into our drinking water, are they?

[the_great_she_elephant]

TGSE wrote: If Moses supposes his toeses are roses,

Then Moses supposes erroneously;

For nobody's toeses are posies or roses,

As Moses supposes his toeses to be.

(Anon. English nonsense rhyme c 1890)

Icyfroth wrote: "Nonsense" being the operative word.

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Exactly the point I was making..

[feloniexyz]

Roses might be toeses if they are situated at the foot of a garden 😉

[icyfroth]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

TGSE wrote: If Moses supposes his toeses are roses,

Then Moses supposes erroneously;

For nobody's toeses are posies or roses,

As Moses supposes his toeses to be.

(Anon. English nonsense rhyme c 1890)

Icyfroth wrote: "Nonsense" being the operative word.

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Exactly the point I was making..

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Your point being nonsense?

[*kazumi*]

I cannot believe we are still discussing fluoride.  There have been scare stories about fluoride for decades.  I remember when my daughter was a baby, some 50 some years ago, a well meaning friend told me I should not use tap water for mixing her formula, because of fluoride, and suggested I use mineral water.  And she provided "evidence" in form of article in less than reputable magazine and there were photos of children with teeth eaten away by fluoride, and bones supposedly twisted by deposit of fluoride (looked like serious vitamin D/calcium deficiency to me = rickets).  Funny, 50 years later and most of the world is still alive, none of the predicted disasters happened. 

The simple fact is there are many places where fluoride is found naturally in water, and some places the concentration is higher than our water, and people and animals were drinking it for thousands of years. 

And yet, the so called "health" magazines keep trotting out long debunked theories over and over again. 

By the way, even back then when my daughter was a baby, I understood that it's called "mineral water" because it is high in minerals, which could be fluoride. 

[*kazumi*]

I guess the bringing up dangers of fluoride would have nothing to do with all the water filters these "health mags" are peddling?

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

TGSE wrote: If Moses supposes his toeses are roses,

Then Moses supposes erroneously;

For nobody's toeses are posies or roses,

As Moses supposes his toeses to be.

(Anon. English nonsense rhyme c 1890)

Icyfroth wrote: "Nonsense" being the operative word.

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Exactly the point I was making..

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Your point being nonsense?

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My point being  the thread title solicits: Discussion that challenges supposed mainstream beliefs and officially accepted stances.

You and I may believe Moses's supposition to be nonsense, but  should we laugh at him if he tries to convince others it is true?

[feloniexyz]

Laughing at someone , promotes Ill feelings,  laughing with someone,  benefits all .