Displacing Indigenous Australians

[donnashuggy]

I'm extremely confused, are they or aren't they?

[rabbitearbandicoot]

@i-need-a-martini wrote:

Firstly, indigenous people have too much respect for the land to "use" it's resources. Taking care of the land is a fundamental way of life for them and it is a shame that we haven't watched and learnt instead of desecrating and "using" our natural resources.

Let me ask about the royalties that Aboriginals get for allowing mining on their land - Yes, they are certainly entitled to it.

I saw a show on TV night-before-last, it was about a group of Aboriginals who bought some bulldozers and were hiring them out to mining.

Good on them, I say. They are making the effort to break the cycle.

But, it belies your statement above, doesn't it? That particular group are fully prepared to 'desecrate the land' and 'use' it's resources. Let me clarify, I don't think that in itself is a bad thing, far from it. As long as we are not talking about digging up prime farming land, would you leave the resources in the ground? I think the economy would be in a sad old state without the income from mining.

There are always two sides to every story and there are always those who have their own agendas and will step on anyone who gets in their way. BUT, as someone said above, how are the Aboriginal people going to advance if they want to keep their children and grandchildren living the 'Traditional' lifestyle. How many of those children and grandchildren, given the chance, might have become doctors or scientists and found a cure for one or more of the maladies that effect the whole world? I guess we will never know while their parents insist on styfling their aptitudes. A shame to limit any children.

[gleee58]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

How many of those children and grandchildren, given the chance, might have become doctors or scientists and found a cure for one or more of the maladies that effect the whole world? I guess we will never know while their parents insist on styfling their aptitudes. A shame to limit any children.

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Some will.  As some have before them.

They have more chance of that if they are allowed to grow up in their environment with the women who love and nurture them than if they become marginalised on the fringes.

[idlewhile]

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

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@idlewhile wrote:

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@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
They want them out of the way so they can dig up the resources.

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Normally I wouldn't reply to this type of cynical and mendacious statement but this type of thinking should be challenged.

They can use the resources themselves but they are cynically manipulated by Greens and Labor and by the one or two savvy abs that have any clue and are doing it to further their own objectives.

They destroy any chance for them to self determine, they are left sitting in the dirt again and again  because they are lied to and humbugged by a few who have a totally different agenda and it doesn't include helping the indigenous people. A like the statement from the member I am rebutting.

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I wish you knew more about indigenous culture, contemporary way of life and politics cause then you might be able to write something sensible.

Firstly, indigenous people have too much respect for the land to "use" it's resources. Taking care of the land is a fundamental way of life for them and it is a shame that we haven't watched and learnt instead of desecrating and "using" our natural resources.

Secondly, you clearly have no idea about aboriginal culture if you think they do not "self determine" or spend their days "sitting in the dirt". Their communities are self governed and very productive. The only "agenda" being imposed on them is the one by the Federal and WA governments who have decided that they should assimililate. And the disastrous effects of assimilation through history up until modern times speak for themselves.

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One of the more successful remote sites have allowed mining on their land for nearly 50 years and it spawned many amazing artists and entrepreneurs.

As for your condescending statement that they have too much respect to mine their own land just goes to show you have no idea  and would rather perpetrate the "noble savage" mantra you and the Labor party and the Greens and other self interested groups just love to spout.

You disrespect self determination and you disrespect the very people you are eschewing you care about. Hollow urban talk.

[the*scarlet*pimpernel]

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@idlewhile wrote:

We don't "rent" this country, we belong to this country just like anybody else.

Perpetrating the black armband view of history is what has seen the destruction of the indiginous people and I find your graphic and its print totally racist and demeaning to Aboriginals.

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well good for you

now I'll just run along to the blackfulla revolution facebook page I got that image from and tell them they are being racist and demeaning to themselves.

[bushies.girl]

Good idea, I have found them to be EXTREMELY racist many times

[idlewhile]

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@the*scarlet*pimpernel wrote:

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@idlewhile wrote:

We don't "rent" this country, we belong to this country just like anybody else.

Perpetrating the black armband view of history is what has seen the destruction of the indiginous people and I find your graphic and its print totally racist and demeaning to Aboriginals.

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well good for you

now I'll just run along to the blackfulla revolution facebook page I got that image from and tell them they are being racist and demeaning to themselves.

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That seems to be where you are most comfortable so why are you on here? racist comment is OK when its spouted by racists it seems.

[the*scarlet*pimpernel]

me too   which is why I don't think there is ever going to be win/win situation.

Anyway, it's silly getting worked up over something you can't do anything about and arguing over stuff on the internet. We'll all end up looking like we ate lemons for brekky.

*toddles off to look for rainbows and lollipops*

[the*scarlet*pimpernel]

That seems to be where you are most comfortable so why are you on here?

huh???

[bushies.girl]

So true Pimpy, I believe this is good and bad in most people/races, I have seen and experienced the VERY bad/negative side of Indigenous people, many of them whiter than me. I have seen them being given every opportunity to improve their lives and just throwing all back in the in the faces of those who were trying to help them. Thus, I dont have a very high opinion of them, so if that makes me a racist, so be it, I'll cope

[polksaladallie]

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@idlewhile wrote:

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Not one thing you mentioned is free. We all pay for these services one way or another. The RFDS is subsidised and they also rely on fund raising to keep going.

Farmers and graziers are the backbone of this country and they pay taxes just like all of us. If they get fuel subsidies well they deserve it, urban welfare recipients and remote communities  do not contribute.

So apples and oranges?

It can't be compared to sit down money that has destroyed the aboriginal race, never allowed them to catch up, drugs, alcohol and petrol sniffing has ruined families and sexual abuse and violence is just a normal part of everyday life for some.

If the gap is to be closed, then all aboriginal people need to get up, get out of the destructive cycle and enter the 21st century.

This will never happen, has not happened even though billions of dollars has been thrown at it, it's time to take another direction even if they don't like it it's better than doing nothing for another 200years.

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(c) Excessive alcohol consumption

In 2003, alcohol was associated with 7% of all deaths and 6% of the total burden of disease for Indigenous Australians. Excessive alcohol consumption also accounted for the greatest proportion of the burden of disease and injury for young Indigenous males (aged 15–34 years) and the second highest (after intimate partner violence) for young Indigenous females.

In the NATSIHS 2004-5, Indigenous peoples aged 18 years and over were found to be more likely than non-Indigenous people to abstain from drinking alcohol.

Of those who did consume alcohol in the week prior to the survey, one in six Indigenous adults (16%) reported long-term (or chronic) risky/ high risk alcohol consumption, up from 13% in 2001. In non-remote areas, the proportion of Indigenous adults who drank at chronic risky or high risk levels increased from 12% in 2001 to 17% in 2004–05.

While rates of risky/ high risk drinking were similar for Indigenous peoples in remote and non-remote areas, people in remote areas were nearly three times as likely as those in non-remote areas to report never having consumed alcohol (18% compared with 6%).

https://www.humanrights.gov.au/publications/statistical-overview-aboriginal-and-torres-strait-island...