Does everyone deserve to be happy?

[the_bob_delusion]

What do you think?

Is it even possible?

?:|

[everything*that*i*ever*wanted]

LOL - I can't believe I managed to turn this into a religious thread...

I am confident that is exactly what Bob intended from the outset Crikey.

[joz*garage]

yea crikey

i just fixed my digital scales (wasnt getting any power eh)

there was a loose wire behind the male plug 

i deserve to be a happy chappy now coz, i saved myself lots on technician fees

[Just getting prepared for another ebay onslaught:8}]

[the_bob_delusion]

Isn't it INCREDIBLY powerful and humbling that Jesus had such love in his heart that he gave up His life for our redemption. Would I want someone to give up his life for me ? No, but I am incredibly grateful that He did.

Jesus gave up his life??? how exactly? Jesus is God, he can't die, he is sacrificing himself TO HIMSELF. Explained to me what Jesus sacrificed??? Even if I grant you that jesus died, how do you suddenly equate someone dying as dying for your sins. I can just as well say George in Perth died yesterday for the sins of the world. No historian can claim Jesus died for the sins of the world. For the record, no historian in the world can claim Jesus even resurrected. 

Imagine I was the judge and I make the rules, you were found guilty of something you didn't do and was sentence to death. I as a judge could set you free if I wanted to, but instead I decided to kill someone else so you can go free. Think about it. Sure it's nice that you get to go free after all. But isn't it better if you were found NOT guilty and be freed because you didn't committ any crime. If you can't see the immorality of it, I really can't help you.

[the_bob_delusion]

God initially gave Adam and Eve rules. They chose not to follow them. God gave us the 10 Commandments. The world still showed they could not live by them. God saw that the world needed more...an example to follow...a blueprint (so to speak). That is when He sent Jesus. The pharisees and religious leaders at the time didn't like their authority being challenged and were threatened by Jesus. When Jesus did not recognise their authority and challenged them, they chose to torture and murder Him.

And Jesus interceded on their behalf and begged His Father to forgive them.


And I absolutely agree, the New Testament and the New Covenant is what we should all be living by. "A new commandment I give unto you, that you love one another as I have loved you".

I almost feel bad debating this with you. You have very limited understanding of what you believe. A sophisticated Christian apologist can come up with better arguments than you.  

Let's go back to Adam and Eve. 

Why would any parents have kids if they don't expect their children to misbehave. And for misbehaving, would you send your kids to the gas chamber for all eternity?

10 Commandments right. Do you believe that's required for man to be moral???

[nevynreally]

No fair toying with the true believers, bob. In fact, it's kind of tacky.

[the_bob_delusion]

No fair toying with the true believers, bob. In fact, it's kind of tacky.

Sorry my bad. I should aim higher.

[everything*that*i*ever*wanted]

I almost feel bad debating this with you. You have very limited understanding of what you believe. A sophisticated Christian apologist can come up with better arguments than you.  

Let's go back to Adam and Eve. 

Why would any parents have kids if they don't expect their children to misbehave. And for misbehaving, would you send your kids to the gas chamber for all eternity?

10 Commandments right. Do you believe that's required for man to be moral???

See that is where you misunderstand. God does not condem His children. It is a choice His children make. Same as I can turn my back on my mother and father, I don't expect to live with them. I make the choice to turn from them so why would I feel condemned that I do not live with them. Same as with Faith. If you turn your back on God, you cannot expect to have eternity with Him. It is not hellfire and brimstone...it is simply an eternity without Him. To those that don't have Faith, it would make no difference to them.

And the 10 Commandments, yes I believe they are a good guideline. However, as stated previously, the New Covenant comes with a great Commandment...Love one another as I have loved you. It is a very simple concept...by loving on your fellow man...you really naturally follow all of the other Commandments. If you have love for your fellow man, you aren't able to hurt them, but instead want better for them. How can that be a bad thing ?

[rabbitearbandicoot]

Bob wrote:"Jesus gave up his life??? how exactly? Jesus is God, he can't die, he is sacrificing himself TO HIMSELF. Explained to me what Jesus sacrificed???"

How many times have I told you Bob, Jesus is not God. But, anyway, let's put it terms you may understand.

Jesus gave up his comfortable life in Heaven, to come to earth and fulfil his Father's promise to the people. Jesus loved his Father and the Human Race so much that he came to earth, was born and lived the first 30 years of his life as a carpenter - then he started his ministry knowing full well, the eventual outcome, but he did it anyway out of love.

On the night he was arrested he was justifiably upset about what he knew would happen the next day - he wept - he didn't go out on the town and have a few laughs knowing that 'it's OK it will only hurt for a little while'?  He knew he would be whipped, slashed, tortured and spat upon. He knew that he would die - not just an ordinary death, but a CRIMINALS DEATH.

He did all this,  knowing that he could have flicked his fingers and wiped out all those who tortured him - but he did not - could you do that to fulfil a promise? He knew that he could have called Angels to protect him - but he did not. No, not because he enjoyed the pain, not because he was stupid, but because he knew that he was giving YOU and ME the chance to break free from sin.

Do you think it was EASY for him to take the hours of punishment that these mere mortals were dishing out to him? 

Do you think that he felt no pain from the hours of whippings and torture? Do you think he felt no pain when they drove the nails into his hands / wrists and feet? Do you think that while he was hanging there, dying a painful, slow death that this was EASY for him?

You amaze me Bob. He was a man with all the feelings that every other human has.

[everything*that*i*ever*wanted]

Bob you place human confines on something that is beyond human understanding. I get that you can't comprehend that sort of love...but those with Faith do. I Pray that one day everyone will know it too.

[**meep**]

Bob, you have been asking the same questions from the same posters on this forum for how many years now?