on 11-01-2015 10:29 AM
on 11-01-2015 04:46 PM
Or because they don't like what they see because it's too confronting that everything they thought was wrong.
on 11-01-2015 04:52 PM
@polksaladallie wrote:
@bright.ton42 wrote:
@polksaladallie wrote:
@punch*drunk wrote:I wonder how many priests actually keep their vow of celibacy, hetero or gay. I read that more than 50% of priests in Ireland have a mistress.
They have "housekeepers" in Australia.
Not anymore, not for years. Not since Vatican 2 I think. . And if you'd met some of the housekeepers as i did I'd say the priests were safe, lol. As for celibacy I'm totally against it though. . .
I have met one, about 5 years ago. Of course they have housekeepers. Who do you think does the cooking, washing and cleaning while they are working?
So you met one about 5 years ago? I have met several in recent years and they choose to look after themselves. Laundromat,
housework, meals...... well depending where they work, sometimes the organisation provides them, otherwise they cook as well. They don't work 24/7. But live in housekeepers? No!
on 11-01-2015 04:54 PM
@aps1080 wrote:
@para-slights wrote:I think the glasses you put on Icy just further warp your vision. The rest of us have enough clarity that we don't need glasses to know which way is right.
Right in YOUR way of thinking.
Not right in a lot of peoples way of thinking.
So if, we take it as read - despite no study ever been done to confirm it - that the majority of male homosexuals are paedophiles, what do you suggest we should do to protect our children from them? should homosexualality be recriminalised and all gays thrown in jail? Should all homosexuals be castrated - just to be on the safe side - or should they all be made to wear some idetnifying badge (an armband maybe) so we can avoid any accidental contact with them in the street.
on 11-01-2015 04:55 PM
@bright.ton42 wrote:
@polksaladallie wrote:
@bright.ton42 wrote:
@polksaladallie wrote:
@punch*drunk wrote:I wonder how many priests actually keep their vow of celibacy, hetero or gay. I read that more than 50% of priests in Ireland have a mistress.
They have "housekeepers" in Australia.
Not anymore, not for years. Not since Vatican 2 I think. . And if you'd met some of the housekeepers as i did I'd say the priests were safe, lol. As for celibacy I'm totally against it though. . .
I have met one, about 5 years ago. Of course they have housekeepers. Who do you think does the cooking, washing and cleaning while they are working?
So you met one about 5 years ago? I have met several in recent years and they choose to look after themselves. Laundromat,
housework, meals...... well depending where they work, sometimes the organisation provides them, otherwise they cook as well. They don't work 24/7. But live in housekeepers? No!
I met a housekeeper (for priests) about 5 years ago is what I said.
on 11-01-2015 04:56 PM
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:Well I take iback what I said - or some of it. It was actually quite easy to find relevant information. True, it does only deal with male homosexuality and paedophilia, but I would imagine the same crieria - and problems - would apply to a sudy of female homosexuals.
PAEDOPHILIA AND HOMOSEXUALITY ~
"In principle, it should not be difficult to design a study which would provide the information needed to show the relationship between homosexual behavior and child molestation. One might, for example, take a random sample of those men and women who are 'homosexual' and find the proportion of them who can be regarded as 'child molesters.' Alternatively, one might identify a random sample of those who are 'child molesters' and see what part of this sample can be classified as 'homosexuals.' Finally, appropriate comparisons with comparable groups of 'heterosexuals' would allow an investigator to determine the extent to which child molestation is an act characteristically related to homosexual behavior ...
In fact, it appears that no such study has ever been conducted. And there are good reasons for believing that no such study ever could be conducted."
(Newton, 1978, p. 31)It is generally held to be a dubious proposition that homosexuality and paedophilia are linked. While some paedophiles are homosexually orientated towards both adults and children, this does not in tself_demonstrate a causal association between the two. There are a number of issues:
(1) Uncertainty about the rates of paedophilia in heterosexual and homosexual men;
(2) Uncertainty about the rates of homosexuality among adult men;
(3) The apparent sexual preference of some heterosexual people for adult females while offending against boys.
https://www.ipce.info/host/howitt/2c.htm
OOPS?
Oops indeed. We're dealing with homosexuality and peaedophilia in the catholic priesthood in this thread, She-el, while you're showing a a study of the general population that has not actually been taken.
Actually I did a little bit of searching into the subject and found this:
Studies find it difficult to quantify specific percentages of Roman Catholic priests who identify as gay priests although the John Jay Report reported that "homosexual men entered the seminaries in noticeable numbers from the late 1970s through the 1980s", and available figures for homosexual priests in the United States range from 15–58%.[
A 2002 Los Angeles Times nationwide poll of 1,854 priests (responding) reported that 9 percent of priests identified themselves as homosexual, and 6 percent as "somewhere in between but more on the homosexual side." Asked if a "homosexual subculture" (defined as a "definite group of persons that has its own friendships, social gatherings and vocabulary") existed in their diocese or religious order, 17 percent of the priests said "definitely," and 27 percent said "probably." 53 percent of priests who were ordained in the last 20 years (1982-2002) affirmed such a subculture existed in the seminary when they attended.
on 11-01-2015 04:57 PM
I didn't say that.
I was arguing the point of someone saying what is RIGHT.
11-01-2015 04:59 PM - edited 11-01-2015 05:00 PM
Icy
Yes, well, the Catholic Church in the US is a bit like the Dublin Catholic Church, certainly NOT arguing from the moral high ground
considering they seemed to have the same sytemic issues are in Ireland (and Australia).
(Although it is NOT just the Catholic Churches that were the problem before I get jumped on for that.)
on 11-01-2015 05:02 PM
Well actually we are dealing with a thread about how a congregation in Ireland cheered when a priest said he was gay. But taking in your study, even accounting for the "not sure" responses, that means around 85% of Catholic priests are "straight".
on 11-01-2015 05:09 PM
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
@aps1080 wrote:
@para-slights wrote:I think the glasses you put on Icy just further warp your vision. The rest of us have enough clarity that we don't need glasses to know which way is right.
Right in YOUR way of thinking.
Not right in a lot of peoples way of thinking.
So if, we take it as read - despite no study ever been done to confirm it - that the majority of male homosexuals are paedophiles, what do you suggest we should do to protect our children from them? should homosexualality be recriminalised and all gays thrown in jail? Should all homosexuals be castrated - just to be on the safe side - or should they all be made to wear some idetnifying badge (an armband maybe) so we can avoid any accidental contact with them in the street.
You know that'll never happen, She-el.
The thing is, now that we have seen revelations of how people in positions of trust can abuse our children we should be more vigilant than our parents were in the days when you and I were growing up.
on 11-01-2015 05:29 PM
@para-slights wrote:Well actually we are dealing with a thread about how a congregation in Ireland cheered when a priest said he was gay. But taking in your study, even accounting for the "not sure" responses, that means around 85% of Catholic priests are "straight".
That article goes on to say:
Anonymous studies have also suggested a prevalence of homosexual leanings in the Roman Catholic priesthood. Studies by Wolf and Sipe from the early 1990s suggest that the percentage of priests in the Catholic Church who admitted to being gay or were in homosexual relationships was well above the national average for the United States of America. Elizabeth Stuart, a former convener of the Catholic Caucus of the Lesbian and Gay Christian movement claimed, "It has been estimated that at least 33 percent of all priests in the RC Church in the United States are homosexual."