END The Dole to Push Aussies Into Work

[icyfroth]

Sometimes in politics you can only shake your head in amazement as to how public policy is made.

For nearly 30 years our governments have been spending billions of dollars supposedly to make young Australians 'job ready' through vocational training.

Now, in the post-Covid economic recovery, we are being told there are 50,000 fruit picking jobs, 30,000 hospitality vacancies and 15,000 trades and construction jobs in NSW that can only be filled by foreign workers.

Pacific Islanders have been brought in for the farm harvest - while the other positions will be filled by going back to big immigration numbers of 200,000 per annum.

Meanwhile, some parts of western Sydney and country NSW have youth unemployment rates of 30 and 40 percent.

How hard is it to ensure Australians get first crack at the jobs?

The immigration program should be designed, first and foremost, for the benefit of people who live here now, not new arrivals.

There are so many job vacancies at the moment, anyone who says they can't find work is not really looking for it.

The only possible barrier for some is a vaccination requirement, but in many NSW workplaces this ended today (December 15) with the abolition of vaccine passports.

Bringing workers from overseas puts pressure on housing prices and adds to urban congestion.

It floods the labour market and holds down wages.

The logical alternative is to end the dole.

Anyone bludging on welfare must be made to take a job vacancy.

Scott Morrison should announce the abolition of the dole as of March 1 2022.  

We can't have permanent youth unemployment in Australia, a generation who think that work is optional and taxpayers will carry them forever.

Ending the dole would be a culture shock to these job snobs, a wake up call about the necessity of work.

It would end the labour shortages quick smart, save the government vast amounts of money and avoid an over-reliance on overseas workers.

We are not talking about high-skill jobs that need years of training.

If young people in particular got off their backsides they would find work tomorrow on farms and in cafes, restaurants and pubs.

The fruit picking jobs should have gone to Indigenous unemployed in country areas, overcoming that chronic problem, instead of importing Pacific Islanders.

The soft, lazy way of dealing with the labour shortages is to turn on the immigration tap.

The realistic way is to end the dole and end Australian unemployment.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/mark-latham-why-we-should-end-the-dole-to-push-aussies-into... 

Politicians would be aware of this, but any PM who would dare suggest to end the dole, would be out on their backside next election.

The rioting unleashed would rival the recent BLM riots in the US, or the rioting against Beijing in Hong Kong!

[domino-710]

OK - I really did try.

[rogespeed]

A bit naïve to suggest that if a person is listed as unemployed they are not busy on some enterprise ...... ie pursuit of a business , paying hobbies etc 

Hence why another reason Australia is a relatively tranquil country

There are social living issues that need addressing if mobilising chronic no-valid work history unemployed for remote location work offering little net gains , as they are established within society with many having family responsibilities ie single parents , carer responsibilities , studying , fighting health issues

Not impossible but needing understanding and infrastructure  

[arctoph_49]

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@not_for_sale2025 wrote:

Many of the staff working for Centrelink  and the job agencies are young and get off on the power. They constantly ride the job seekers and many complain of feeling bullied and intimidated. If they don't apply for the allocated number of jobs every month or accept a job offer (any offer), they are sometimes threatened with cancellation of payments. Some staff tell blatant lies to try and frighten the younger job seekers in particular. Anyone who thinks the dole is easy street these days is well and truly out of touch.

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Not all Centrelink employees are bullies. Many years ago, when I was looking for a job, I was treated very well, but maybe things have changed. I haven't heard the young ones in my family complain when looking for a job, but maybe they just didn't want to.

Sadly, many people who do have a job and pay taxes struggle too and are not happy. Not everyone with a job has a dream job or likes their job. A job offer for a job you don't like may not be ideal, but it would only be temporary until you find a better job. It is not meant to be a permanent job.

Life is tough, and not all fun and games (like some threads here).

Respect is essential though, and I certainly agree that jobseekers should be respected and not bullied or threatened.

[arctoph_49]

I was talking to someone last evening and they told me that Centrelink will very rarely offer good jobs. Probably the best solution is to accept one of their jobs and then go to a real employment agency to find a better job. Even if it costs some money, if you have a job, even one you don't like, it should eventually pay off.

[imastawka]

Centrelink don't offer employment to anyone.

They partner with employment agencies and refer you to those employment networks.

[arctoph_49]

Yes, you are right, but I think employment agencies still keep the best jobs for themselves, so if someone wants the job of their dreams, they have better chances to find it if they go to a real employment agency.

[domino-710]

What is the difference between an employment agency - and - a ' real ' employment agency??

[arctoph_49]

Yes, they are the same. I meant that when employment agencies tell Centrelink about jobs, they might not tell them about the best jobs they have, so if someone wants a really good job, they have better chances to find it if they go to an employment agency because Centrelink is not going to give them money until they find their dream job. So, basically - accept what Centrelink suggests (if you can do it), then go to an employment agency to find something better.

[domino-710]

It is in any employment agencies' interest to put forward all available jobs - most have criteria to meet usually on a quarterly review.

The ' best jobs ' you are referring to - are usually ' head hunted ' - no need to search - they find you.

[imastawka]

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@arctoph_49 wrote:

Yes, they are the same. I meant that when employment agencies tell Centrelink about jobs, they might not tell them about the best jobs they have, so if someone wants a really good job, they have better chances to find it if they go to an employment agency because Centrelink is not going to give them money until they find their dream job. So, basically - accept what Centrelink suggests (if you can do it), then go to an employment agency to find something better.

What the actual ****?

That makes no sense.

Employment agencies don't tell Centrelink about jobs!

They tell the client - the unemployed person. 

And what are 'the best jobs'? 

Who determines that? 

Please stop making absurd statements when you have no idea how Centrelink works, in regard to unemployment

Workforce Australia is an Australian Government-funded network of organisations that are contracted by the Australian Government, through the Department of Employment and Workplace Relations, to deliver employment services to unemployed job seekers on Government income support payments and employers.

Workforce Australia - Google Search

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