on โ25-02-2019 08:19 AM
Muffin Break boss's comments about entitled millennials not wanting to work without pay spark furious responses
when did they sneak laws in that allow people to work for no pay?
i want to know more about ms Brenan, where she lives, what kind of house (or houses) she owns, where her kids go to school, what cars she owns, as its all being paid for by people working for free.
but she still get the money people pay to eat in her store.
on โ26-02-2019 06:12 PM
I agree work experience schemes are good to observe a career to see if it fits, very different to expecting free labour from someone. I believe, like David, if that person starts to engage in activities that generate profit they should be paid. Otherwise your gaining a profit while they gain nothing, employment is a two way street. Just observation.
I think Ms Brennan's comments may have been badly worded as she did say she was talking about Muffin Break's programs not direct free employment. Ms Brennan seems to have fallen into the trap of blame the millennials. Did she do any self reflection? Are the programs still relevant? Providing millennials with skills they need in a changing work force? What skills could Muffin Break teach that could not be gained elsewhere? Retail experience, that there is a million and one places that can be gained. Baker, pre apprenticeship then onto the apprenticeship.
The thing that really p***ed me off is her statement ร'll tell everyone about them". Which is her saying that she is quite happy to destroy the reputation and employment opportunity of young ones if they don't reach her standards. Shows how much she "cares"about the kids and their futures and shows her true motivation. I think the only person that is entitled is Ms Brennan herself.
on โ27-02-2019 12:07 PM
Arguably, it could be that those employers who do the wrong thing (unfortunately it could be the majority) cast a slur on those who do the right thing and consequently, it leads to a bad reputation towards the ethical and moral employers.
I have seen both sides at work, but it seems to me that governments could and should do more to stamp out the corruptive elements of the scheme. Won't hold my breath though.
on โ27-02-2019 06:26 PM
on โ27-02-2019 10:01 PM
@davidc4430 wrote:i will never agree that 'free' labor os ok under the idea well if they get a job the end excuses the means.
no one should be expected to do one minute of unpaid work.
i have no problem with allowing someone to 'observe' but when they are asked to do something that benifits the business (as in creates income) they must be paid.
just because there are 10 (or more) available candidates for a job does not make it ok to think its ok to see who will do the most unpaid work for the job.
IMHO
I,m not sure if you have ever employed young teenagers with little experience David, but IT AINT NO WALK IN THE PARK. It takes many months to train a new employee and in the first weeks, the boss spends more time teaching and assisting the new employee than they ever recieve back in productivity. It is normal for new employees to make costly mistakes which can damage stock & equipment and even the business reputation and brand. But bosses perservere on the understanding that they are helping a young person get started in their industry and with any luck, the employee will repay the boss with further work, once they are more experienced and are actually useful around the place.
Unfortunately it doesnt always work out that way. What regularly happens is the boss spends several years training the employee and then they tick off to a rival company or worse still, start up a business of their own in opposition to their previous employer. This is particularly common in the building trade when apprentices complete their training. ( thats if you can prise a teenager off their phone long enough to teach them the trade......... )
Work experience is the same. A reputable boss will spend time " setting up " work for the student to do and advise and assist them with the task. Often it is a job that doesnt really need doing, and no-one is paying for it, but it gives the student a chance to try the trade or job, hands on. The headaches involved with taking students on for work experience, far outweighs any commercial gain the employer recieves, but most bosses treat it as a service to the community and a way of introducing potential workers to their industry.
Work isnt something young people just do. Getting out of bed, getting to work on time and putting in effort for a full day is a learned skill. I dont believe most young people are inherintly lazy and dont want to work. On the contrary, most school leavers are keen to find employment, develop a future and make some dollars. Often the ones who dont succeed at work have not had parents or constructive role models with positive attitudes to work, or had the chance to try out work through their school years. Hence we have intergenerational unemployment.
People who have positive attitudes to work and who are willing to co-operate with employers, not only have more succesful careers, they also gain much more personal fullfilment and enjoyment from work than those who aproach employment with an antagonistic, inflexible attitude.
on โ01-03-2019 04:05 PM
Teenagers or kids just out of high school are not millennials.
Anyone born between 1981 and 1996 (ages 23 to 38 in 2019) is considered a millenial and is the cohort Ms MuffinBreakBully is referring to.
on โ01-03-2019 04:14 PM
on โ02-03-2019 08:32 AM
@morgana2408 wrote:I agree work experience schemes are good to observe a career to see if it fits, very different to expecting free labour from someone. I believe, like David, if that person starts to engage in activities that generate profit they should be paid. Otherwise your gaining a profit while they gain nothing, employment is a two way street. Just observation.
I believe they gain experience which is the point of work experience. Standing around watching doesn't give them experience.
My son did work experience with a security installation company. Had he just observed he would not have found out for himself that the job is not just about installing cameras and monitors and hooking them up to the internet etc. Instead he experienced what it was like to crawl through small, and sometimes dirty, spaces to run cables etc. From that experience he decided it wasn't what he wanted to do. He is now a web developer.
โ02-03-2019 01:21 PM - edited โ02-03-2019 01:23 PM
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