Four'n Twenty Pies are now halal

[ufo_investigations]

I went to 7-Eleven tonight to get a bite to eat, grabbed a Four'n Twenty pie and gosh it was halal.

Traitors!  How can they do this?

I put it back in the warmer then drove to a local Italian restaurant and we had pasta carbonara.

[daydream**believer]

what people choose to write is just that, their choice, but the boycott Halal page that I am a member of does not encourage people to post abusive messages on business fb pages

[cherry*135]

Am*3
"Also consumers are encouraged (by the anti-Muslim groups) to target businesses that have halal certification for their products.. by posting abusive messges on the businesses facebook pages etc."

DDB

"That is complete rubbish. I am a member of a boycott Halal page and the only thing the page asks is to post to companies our concerns and let them know we will be boycotting their products.
The page has never encouraged abusive posts to any business page"

It is not rubbish. It is well known and widely reported in mainstream media.

You are 1 person, speaking for yourself, that doesn't mean those other sites, FB pages don't exist and don't encourage their readers to hassle businesses through social media about them having halal certification. Ongoing abuse targeting specific businesses. Feral abuse, otherwise I would quote some here.

Private businesses are being targeted that have made a commercial decision to get their products or some of their products halal certified. E.g. Byron Bay Cookies ( which has been covered in one of the threads here before),

Then you get people like Pickering (Pickering Post) who quotes Dick Smith Foods statement halal certification and included in that quote is a paragraph with religious connotations that was not part of the Dick Smith Foods statement.

This incorrect statement is all over the web now. I don't know who originally altered it but they did do to deceive people.
The original statement is on Dick Smith food website.

[cherry*135]

DDB:
"what people choose to write is just that, their choice, .........."

Abusive posts, messages, etc aren't acceptable though...on Facebook, forums, via email. Targeting specific businesses facebook pages for 6 months + with abusive posts.. Tells more about the people making those posts than the type of business they are targetting.

[boris1gary]

My daughter was telling me about this on the weekend, it fits this thread as there is a lot of religious intolerance being spread - it's from the Anglican Parish of Gosford facebook, the real one. Some haters have started a fake one, how sad and pathetic. I wonder if those involved in the anti halal campaign have stopped to consider the effect it might have on Australian businesses and jobs because a lot of it claims to be from some kind of patriotic stance yet it is actually the opposite.

Anglican Parish of Gosford

October 29

I have to say that I am sickened, saddened and deeply distressed that a post that simply seeks to promote inclusion, celebrate diversity and seek social harmony has been met with such vicious expressions of bigotry and hatred towards others, myself and our staff. What has happened to the Australia I love?
Fr Rod

[azureline**]

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@boris1gary wrote:

My daughter was telling me about this on the weekend, it fits this thread as there is a lot of religious intolerance being spread - it's from the Anglican Parish of Gosford facebook, the real one. Some haters have started a fake one, how sad and pathetic. I wonder if those involved in the anti halal campaign have stopped to consider the effect it might have on Australian businesses and jobs because a lot of it claims to be from some kind of patriotic stance yet it is actually the opposite.

Anglican Parish of Gosford

October 29

I have to say that I am sickened, saddened and deeply distressed that a post that simply seeks to promote inclusion, celebrate diversity and seek social harmony has been met with such vicious expressions of bigotry and hatred towards others, myself and our staff. What has happened to the Australia I love?
Fr Rod

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I doubt the boycotters have given much thought to anything.................

some chop and change their "reasons" every time the proof is given that they are mistaken in their beliefs.

I wonder about their mean spiritedness.

[gleee58]

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@daydream**believer wrote:

what people choose to write is just that, their choice, but the boycott Halal page that I am a member of does not encourage people to post abusive messages on business fb pages

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Do they discourage the abuse?

Do they delete the abusive posts?

[cherry*135]

For people who don't approve of halal certification and wish to boycott the products that have halal labels on them buy not buying them that is fine. Even writing a non-abusive letter to the company saying they don't approve of the halal certification is fine.

Why should they (the halal label objecters) then target the company publicly with their spamming of their business facebook pages (which also involves abusive, bigotted comments).. just because that company has made a commercial decision to have their products (or some of them) halal certified (especially for their export markets)?

If others are happy to continue to buy Vegemite etc, with halal labels on them what right do the halal label objectors have to try and interfere with their choice?

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@daydream**believer wrote:

"Also consumers are encouraged (by the anti-Muslim groups)  to target businesses that have halal certification for their products.. by posting abusive messges on the businesses facebook pages etc."

That is complete rubbish. I am a member of a boycott Halal page and the only thing the page asks is to post to companies our concerns and let them know we will be boycotting their products.

The page has never encouraged abusive posts to any business page

As i said before, i dont know if the funds support terrorism, but you also dont know that they dont.

Just because the companies paying the fee and the ISlamic council charging the fees say they dont, is not enough proof to me to say where the money goes.

Heres an interesting article from last year. Read it or not, i dont care. Agree with it or not, i dont care

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/halal-easter-eggs-and-cat-food-where-big-money-meets-religion-20130327...

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I have just read that article and there were two paragraphs that I believe need comment.

1)''A wholesale chicken supplier in Perth lost $120,000 a year over three years because he wasn't halal certified,'' she said. ''The chickens he sold had been ritually slaughtered and were halal, but because he would not pay for certification he found all his outlets were forced to boycott him. He was outraged and held out for three years but had to give in to save his business. … Isn't that illegal?''

Apart from the fact that it would only be his Muslim customers - or those who wish to sell to Muslim's - who would decline to buy his product, under what possible legislation could it be deemed illegal for a retailer to decide whether or not to buy from any particular wholesaler?

Also, without the official certification how how can a retailer be certain that thesupplier's claim is genuine? Should all food certification be abolished and retailers be forced to rely purely on the word of a supplier that his goods are, for example, gluten, dairy, or nut  free? 

2) ''I emailed Capilano Honey after I discovered they were paying for halal certification,'' Smith said. ''This was their response: 'While we appreciate that honey is considered halal under Islamic law, it is our customer's requirement to provide halal certification in order for us to conduct business with them.' This sounds like extortion to me.

By what possible criteria can this be considered extortion? Should retailers be forced to buy from any wholesaler who wishes to supply them?  Are they not permitted to state their requirements for doing business with any given wholesaler?

Is it extortion if, for example, a health food shop requires its suppliers to provide an  official organic certification for the fruit and vegetables it they supply.

[cherry*135]

Those are the sort of comments that are spread around.. rubbish.

A private business makes it's own commerical decisions (nothing to do with religion). Don't like their decisions (e.g. using palm oil) don't buy their products.. simple.

Halal label has been on Vegemite for nearly 5 years, it is still a very profitable item.

Bega Cheese halal certificaton since 1996 - hasn't gone broke yet!

[lind9650]

What irks me is not halal labelling. I undertsand that some religions have certain food consumption rules. What annoys me is the same as with the Heart Foundation tick, the manufacturers have to pay for the priviledge to use the tick. If the muslim community, same as the heart foundation want the people to eat healthy and permitted food, the labelling should be free of charge to guide the consumer.

After all being said, we, the consumer have to pay for all this nonsense.

I am more concerned about the amount of chemicals, pesticides, artificial hormones, colourings, flavours etc. are in the production of our food. Imports that come from places that have no laws or control over such things and are full of poison.

Last week I bought some grapes, imported from the USA. The plastic bag clearly stated a warning that the grapes may have been in contact with sulfur. Of course they have. They spray the fruit to make it last longer and washing is not going to get rid of it. Sulfur penetrates the skin of any fruit and vegetable. So my grapes went into the bin.

Those are the things we should be concerned about, more than a silly lable.

Erica