GMO's

[k0llectable5]

1. Genetically modified foods (or GM foods) arefoods produced from organisms that have had specific changes introduced into their DNA using the methods of genetic engineering. There a two main types of genetically modified crops. 

Bt, or bacillus thuringiensis, is a type of soil-dwelling bacteria that produces a protein toxic to many insects. Bt crops are engineered to produce the Bt toxin within the plant itself, acting as a built-in insecticide. Bt toxin kills crop pests by dissolving the insect’s gut lining.
Roundup Ready crops are engineered to be resistant to Roundup, a Monsanto brand of herbicide. The active ingredient in Roundup herbicide is glyphosate, a commonly used weed-killer.

I know very little about this topic. I'm Interested to hear what ya'll know or think about GMO foods.

[4channel]

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@dvd.horder wrote:

i am certain that i  am not 4 channel person ..just a reader here..1 x id only..just sick of multiple ids circle members  picking on ebay members.

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 You're on to it dvd.h! There's a small  group of bullies, both male and female who have intimidated certain members here. One of their victims is a female who has been unfairly targeted. But she has shown courage and resilience! They also attack newbies who complain about sellers etc. This happens on another board. Anyway, I won't go in to it here. Others have mentioned this before.

People should be allowed to come and discuss certain subjects without being attacked, have untrue info posted about them or mocked. If someone (as is the case here) doesn't like the person or the subject being discussed, they don't have to read it. They can move on. Simple!

Anyway, the GMO issue is a main stream discussion. It shouldn't be one to shy away from.

[chameleon54]

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@4channel wrote:

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@chameleon54 wrote:

Ok so you don't believe GM is the answer to feed starving millions......What do you believe the answer is ? Genuine question and interested in a genuine response.

I,m a third generation farmer and have been involved in commercial crop production for 40 years. Climate change is already having a noticeable effect on our agricultural systems. Farmers have done an amazing job of changing their systems and equipment to meet the challenge and yields have actually increased in spite of diminishing growing season rainfall. While there are still some gains to be made, I suspect we are moving closer to the point where production improvements from changes in plant cultivation and mechanical technology are starting to show up. 

If our rainfall continues to become erratic, with shorter winter / spring rainfall seasons, how are we to manage growing plants without enough moisture ? The other major cloud on the horizon is herbicides. Roundup ( Glyphosate ) is the most commonly used chemical in agriculture globally. It is on the way out, having been banned in many countries already. The major alternatives to roundup, Paraquat and Diquat are more poisonous and dangerous to the point that I made the decision 20 years ago never to use them again.

Plants are also gaining resistance to many other chemical groups commonly used. Its a bit like antibiotics. We are running out of choices at a time when we need all the help we can get.

If you wont accept advances in plant breeding technology, what is your answer to prevent mass global starvation ? Trust me on this one....The clock is already ticking and we don't have a lot of time.

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The clock is ticking yes. But GM is not the answer. for starters the technology is in the hands of people who are manipulated by those   that have no interest in the betterment if humanity.

Once the uniqueness of the plant heritrage is contaminated, it is comtaminated for ever. We don 't need to go down the one-way GM road. There's no coming back.

We need to take a stronger look at pollution and at the expense of the oil industry and related, we need to have solar, wind and sea motion power generation forcibly implemented in ways not conventional.

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GMO Biotech Companies and Compliant Politicians. India does not need Genetically Modified Food Targeting India Using Baseless Claims and Deception

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The clock is ticking yes. But GM is not the answer. for starters the technology is in the hands of people who are manipulated by those   that have no interest in the betterment if humanity.

Once the uniqueness of the plant heritrage is contaminated, it is comtaminated for ever. We don 't need to go down the one-way GM road. There's no coming back.

I agree that some ( but not all ) of the technology is in the hands of the corporates who are only interested in profits. There is still GM. research being done by government funded institutions. Perhaps a big part of the answer is to better fund these state research institutes, so that we can have more confidence in the GM plants produced.

As for the contamination issue, there are seed banks set up which retain original plant breeds, uncontaminated by GM. Also there are GM. free zones which currently contain crops uncontaminated by GM. 

Your comments about renewable energy as the answer would be reasonable in relation to climate change, but they don't account for the main problem which is over population. As mentioned crop production is actually increasing globally due to improvements in crop husbandry and technology. And still we are seeing increases in base food prices. As a long term farmer, I have never seen prices so good across all farming commodities. Its not just me that has noticed it. Agricultural land prices have escalated incredibly, doubling over the last ten years where my largest farm is.

Add this to inevitable climate change already built into the system and things don't look good. @ 4channel, the question remains. If we don't adopt GM. how are we going to prevent mass starvation of the global poor ?  What other realistic options do we have ?

[lalbo-81]

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@domino-710 wrote:

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@lalbo-81 wrote:

Tell me, who is it that you think I am on the USA board? They might like  to know they're me to you. 

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Lal - if you think it is worth answering his rubbish - do so - if not ignore - as do most.

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Oh,I'm just curious if it would be someone who would be insulted to be thought of as me, lol! There are a few there who didn't seem to like my lack of Trump worship.

[lalbo-81]

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@dvd.horder wrote:

 if you are from the us....reply to the us ebay community....this is  ebay.au....if you have another id ..use it

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Are you a moderator? I didn't see those rules anywhere here or on the USA board? To my knowledge , I have as much right to post here as Domino and Jozgarage do on the USA board, are we all wrong? 

[domino-710]

Lal - there is an overactive - vivid imagination - combined with a yuge (lol) ego.

Read Dave's posts - all true.

[lalbo-81]

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@4channel wrote:

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@lalbo-81 wrote:

Tell me, who is it that you think I am on the USA board? They might like  to know they're me to you. 

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@davewil1964 wrote:

4channel is always trying to get posters to out themselves. I don't know why. Maybe so he can try to belittle them. He definitely uses several IDs on the boards, normally to reinforce himself. There's a word for that.

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Thankyou davewil1964. Please tell me the IDs that I use.
We would like to know!!
And show me the belittling as well.

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I'm still waiting for you tell me what you believe my other ID is, you go first.

[lalbo-81]

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@dvd.horder wrote:

i am certain that i  am not 4 channel person ..just a reader here..1 x id only..just sick of multiple ids circle members  picking on ebay members.

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So you're not a moderator then. Which means you have no right to tell me to use an ID  I don't have, same as 4channel. You also don't have any right to tell me where to post. You're very rude, were you raised in an abusive home? 

[lalbo-81]

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@4channel wrote:

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@dvd.horder wrote:

i am certain that i  am not 4 channel person ..just a reader here..1 x id only..just sick of multiple ids circle members  picking on ebay members.

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 You're on to it dvd.h! There's a small  group of bullies, both male and female who have intimidated certain members here. One of their victims is a female who has been unfairly targeted. But she has shown courage and resilience! They also attack newbies who complain about sellers etc. This happens on another board. Anyway, I won't go in to it here. Others have mentioned this before.

People should be allowed to come and discuss certain subjects without being attacked, have untrue info posted about them or mocked. If someone (as is the case here) doesn't like the person or the subject being discussed, they don't have to read it. They can move on. Simple!

Anyway, the GMO issue is a main stream discussion. It shouldn't be one to shy away from.

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You are implying untrue info about me. Rather hypocritical, aren't you? 

[4channel]

No I'm not. I haven't mentioned your name anywhere and I wasn't thinking of you at the time which says something.

You should read the info on the links. Very interesting stuff. Value for your family.

[4channel]

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@chameleon54 wrote:

I agree that some ( but not all ) of the technology is in the hands of the corporates who are only interested in profits. There is still GM. research being done by government funded institutions. Perhaps a big part of the answer is to better fund these state research institutes, so that we can have more confidence in the GM plants produced.

As for the contamination issue, there are seed banks set up which retain original plant breeds, uncontaminated by GM. Also there are GM. free zones which currently contain crops uncontaminated by GM.

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The technology that is in the hands of those who don't have nefarious agendas is in the hands of people who have no clout. That's a big part of the problem. Think about the recent war I mentioned. It was wrong and yet it happened because certain people have power and influence.

I hear you about govt funded institutions (talking about things in general) but dishonesty and corruption is an issue in Australia. It will never go away.

Seed banks are necessary if humanity is going to colonise another planet and dishonesty, corruption and evil are no more. The problem is that we can have all of God's / Nature's seeds safely tucked away but if the planet is infected then what?  It would be pointless.

GM-free zones don't work. All areas are open to corruption sooner or later. Remember what happened to Percy Schmeiser?  Well, he was in an area that wasn't a GM free zone. Well, his property was but that's not what we're talking about, fair enough! OK, will a GM free zone get contaminated? I would say yes. There are known reasons why!

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Washington farmer says GM crops contaminated his fields

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Earlier this month, a local farmer reported to the Washington State Department of Agriculture that his hay was rejected for export because it tested positive for a genetically modified trait that was not supposed to be in his crop. Now, authorities are trying to figure out whether these claims are true and, if so, how the GM materials got into that crop. RT Correspondent Meghan Lopez takes a closer look at the case and its financial implications.

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GM free zones or not, the GM food will end up on the table of the unsuspecting human and in their mouth.

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 @chameleon54 wrote:

Your comments about renewable energy as the answer would be reasonable in relation to climate change, but they don't account for the main problem which is over population. As mentioned crop production is actually increasing globally due to improvements in crop husbandry and technology. And still we are seeing increases in base food prices. As a long term farmer, I have never seen prices so good across all farming commodities. Its not just me that has noticed it. Agricultural land prices have escalated incredibly, doubling over the last ten years where my largest farm is.

Add this to inevitable climate change already built into the system and things don't look good. @ 4channel, the question remains. If we don't adopt GM. how are we going to prevent mass starvation of the global poor ? What other realistic options do we have ?

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I don't buy into all of the global warming hype but there is truth that the weather has been destabilized due to pollution. This is why we need to go full on with solar,, wind energy etc..  Yes, the planet is  overpopulated. I'm not saying that Gates is right about the need fo reduce the population, but we need to have a look at where the world will be in 50 years. Perhaps a limit to 3 children per family is start.

The poor will not be fed any better with GM food. GM is not and never has been about saving people. It is purely about profit and more profit. It's about patenting life and having ownership over that patent  

  With all the food that is being wasted by the West and other well to do countries, starving people can be fed with proper strategies, less corruption and interference in other countries.  Africa is full of mineral resources and you don't have to be a genius to work out what's going on or what isn't if you get my drift.

GM seeds are no  benefit to displaced refugees in countries like Burma,  Bangladesh where flooding or war have displaced people. The Africa problem is solvable but corruption and incompetence stands in its way.