Gay cake case

[polksaladallie]

Ashers Bakery lose 'gay cake' case: 'We will not be closing down, we have not done anything wrong' says boss Ashers bakery "unlawfully discriminated on the grounds of sexual orientation"

A Christian-run bakery which refused to make a cake bearing a pro-gay marriage slogan has been found guilty of discrimination after a landmark legal action at Belfast County Court.

The family-run bakery, which delivers across the UK and Ireland, turned down the request for a cake with an image of Sesame Street puppets Bert and Ernie below the motto Support Gay Marriage.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/ashers-bakery-lose-gay-cake-case-we-will-not...

[imastawka]

Perhaps maybe,  maybe better

[bright.ton42]

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@bella_again wrote:

I can't help but wonder if its a deliberate act though on behalf of the Gay lobby person to bait the business.  People know the services of shops before they go in them. 

But I don't, unless there are signs there. 

It is really quite simple if a shop doesn't on the basis of their organisational stance provide a service go elsewhere!  You could argue discrimination on a number of fronts across the board in various different sectors but who goes to court in an attempt to bankrupt a business and destroy their reputation.  To me that's just another whole level of nastiness its not about equality because they are not trying to achieve that under these circumstances. Oh and its def a bait this is a UK case not the case in the US?

 There are lots of cake shops that could have supplied that service and this person went there deliberately to further their agenda and cause trouble.  The world has gone bonkers  diqupatin.

How do we know they went there deliberately to stir?  I haven't seen anywhere that they did.  I have no idea of what the beliefs of all the cake shops near me are, how can you unless there are signs? I think to say this is furthering their own (gay) agenda is

an over assumption. 

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[gleee58]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@youcandoityoucandoityoucandoit wrote:

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@gleee58 wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@gleee58 wrote:

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@bella_again wrote:

I can't help but wonder if its a deliberate act though on behalf of the Gay lobby person to bait the business.  People know the services of shops before they go in them.  It is really quite simple if a shop doesn't on the basis of their organisational stance provide a service go elsewhere!  You could argue discrimination on a number of fronts across the board in various different sectors but who goes to court in an attempt to bankrupt a business and destroy their reputation.  To me that's just another whole level of nastiness its not about equality because they are not trying to achieve that under these circumstances. Oh and its def a bait this is a UK case not the case in the US?

 There are lots of cake shops that could have supplied that service and this person went there deliberately to further their agenda and cause trouble.  The world has gone bonkers  diqupatin.

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Or perhaps the store advertises that they will make cakes for any celebration and will write anything the buyer wishes.

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do you always deal with perhapses?

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We don't know the whole story or what went down in court. There might be a perfectly valid reason for the ruling that has been overlooked on the way to publishing a sensationalist story.

This is a discussion forum and we're all allowed to add comment.  No need to get snarly.

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Whats wrong with using the word perhaps?

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When you're trying to make a statement or defend an opinion, "perhaps" is just an assumption and not a fact.

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That's just nit picking. 

I wasn't trying to make a statement or defend an opinion, just merely adding another alternative.   Perhaps is neither an assumtion or a fact.

[debra9275]

I see using the word 'perhaps' as a way of exploring different possibilities. which  is what we all do when discussing a topic

though I don't really know the business owners motivation for this, it's really not a good way to run a business , if they are discriminating ( the court says they are)

the cake is not particularly offensive, but if  they had been asked to use any "offensive" words I would understand the bakery having a problem with that.

[azureline**]

If I have a customer who requests something and I don't want to do the job,  I quote twice the usual price.

Usually they decline and go elsewhere.

[debra9275]

now that's a good idea Az. lol

"perhaps"  this bakery should've done the same

[Anonymous]

maybe the judge did get it wrong.

hope they appeal.

District judge Isobel Brownlie acknowledged that the McArthur family, which owns Ashers, do “hold genuine deeply-held religious beliefs”.

However, she pointed out that government regulations were there “to protect people from having their sexual orientation used for having their business turned down”.

The judge added: “I believe the defendants did have the knowledge that the plaintiff was gay.”

Ashers’ general manager, Daniel McArthur, said the family were extremely disappointed with the judgment. Denying they had discriminated against Lee, McArthur said: “We’ve said from the start that our issue was with the message on the cake, not the customer and we didn’t know what the sexual orientation of Mr Lee was, and it wasn’t relevant either. We’ve always been happy to serve any customers that come into our shops.

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@digupatin wrote:

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@imastawka wrote:

Perhaps it's not always appropriate

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Perhaps you're right?  

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Perhaps some people don't like being invited to consider possibilities.

[icyfroth]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

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@digupatin wrote:

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@imastawka wrote:

Perhaps it's not always appropriate

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Perhaps you're right?  

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Perhaps some people don't like being invited to consider possibilities.

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Perhaps when "some people" introduce "other possibilities" they are asked to provide proof otherwise be considered to have no credibility.

[***super_nova***]

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@springyzone wrote:

Turning it to ebay-how would people feel if they could be prosecuted for refusing to make changes to their item to fit in with the buyer's wishes? eg If you were eg a knitter and were asked to knit in an obscene logo to the front of a baby jumper, should  you have to comply?

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In this case the cake shop was not asked to make changes,  nor were they asked to write something obscene.  Cake shops make make cakes to order and write whatever the client requests.