on 07-07-2016 02:10 PM
just heard a breaking news story on ABC radio saying the NSW govt will ban greyhound racing as of mid next year.
as an owner of an ex racer but not in nsw i will watch with great interest this story as it unfolds.
18-07-2016 10:34 AM - edited 18-07-2016 10:35 AM
@davidc4430 wrote:
maybe what the NSW govt should have decided was that gambling would no longer be acceptable on dog racing, if people want to race dogs they must do it as a sport.
Which is just another ludicrous statement as owners would still want to win,(so it doesn't solve anything).
Tighter controls on where each greyhound is and holding the owner/breeder responsible is what the industry
is trying to establish,(anyone found guilty of a breach would be kicked out).
Which in the end means a better outcome for the dogs.
It's a similar system to what the NSW government is trying to bring in for cats and dogs.(but it wont fully work
for them as you'll always have backyard breeders).
It's shows you the hypocrisy of the NSW government,(that's why they didn't bring out their "verdict" till after
the election).
my view will allways be to completely stop greyhound racing as i dont believe they can stop the killing of healthy dogs from 'wastage'
The industry has addressed that and has started reducing the numbers via GAP and better visibility of
where each greyhound is.
There is no control on how many cats and dogs get euthanized so "wastage" for other cats and dogs is fine?
In 2014: 50,000 dogs and cats were euthanazed in NSW,(how many others are either killed through accidents
or deliberately by their owners?).
Plus how many were simply dumped?
on 18-07-2016 01:29 PM
@davidc4430 wrote:
i ask again, how many healthy dogs is it ok to kill so greyound racing can continue? my view is none.
if you truly believe animal rights groups are paying to get 'guys' to beat animals to death while they film it well thats your choice.
lets just ingnore every other piece of evidence comming out about live export trade, like the photos of conditions on the ships taken by the industrys own vet. who was then sacked because she wrote a report for the industry bringing up these things.
Would you please stop twisting what I say? I am very strongly against live exports. All what I am saying that you cannot believe everything. I have seen footage produced by some of these groups which was very obviously set up, and later it was proved that it was set up. There was some very creative editing done, like when comment by a vet was put over different, totally unrelated footage. There were number of things from the "Pedigreed dogs exposed" which were proved in court to be either false or .
inaccurate
I am against ALL cruelty against animals, and I am greatly suspicious of anybody who selects one section for his/hers hatred. We need single law that bans all cruelty and gives proper powers to some agency to deal with anybody who is cruel to animals. Did you get the bit in the live baiting program where they said that somebody in the RSPCA used to warn the trainers when the inspector was ?
coming
PETA and related organisation have an agenda; they are not keeping it secret that they believe that ownership of pets should be abolished because it is cruel. They have set their sights on greyhounds, because it is an easy target. Number of people actually racing the dogs is not great. They managed to whip up public indignation and very likely that will be end of racing, but also end of this lovely breed. They will then go after breeders and dog shows, again they can point to some bad practices and horrify public, and even if courts then decide that the reports were not accurate, that is not something the ordinary people will hear about, because it does not make a good headline. Once showing and breeding of pedigree dogs is gone, all they have to do is to discredit the puppy farms. That will not be so difficult, puppy farms are inherently cruel. Dogs and cats have over the tens of thousands of years bonded with humans. They need their own human to be happy. My dogs are right besides me whatever I am doing, and when I go out my cat sits on the window as I pull out of the driveway and is still there when I come home watching for me, and as I unlock the front door both dogs and cat are there to greet me. The breeding animals in puppy farms, even if the kennels are nice, do not get the human interaction they need.
Why don't you read more
on 18-07-2016 02:52 PM
That Ingrid woman does no favours to PETA with her crank-case view.s..... but then PETA is extreme to the point of idiocy. imo. I'm all for animal welfare groups and the wonderful work many of them do, but not PETA.
on 20-07-2016 10:42 AM
The thing is these organizations attract many such people, just because most of them are more careful what they say, does not mean they do not agree with her.
on 20-07-2016 01:09 PM
terrible greyhound deaths in new report
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-20/nsw-greyhound-racing-killings-hunter-valley-mass-grave/7644012
on 20-07-2016 03:12 PM
Yes, there are some people that should be banned from racing. But I am sure most farmers would wonder what is wrong with shooting a dog; I bet that is what happens to farm working dogs when they are no longer use.
on 20-07-2016 04:39 PM
@***super_nova*** wrote:The thing is these organizations attract many such people, just because most of them are more careful what they say, does not mean they do not agree with her.
None of the welfare orgs I have knowledge of remotely agree with what she says. The ones I'm talking about rescue dogs and are committed to rehabilitate them to become loving pets. PETA is always shooting itself in the foot imo.
on 20-07-2016 04:53 PM
@***super_nova*** wrote:Yes, there are some people that should be banned from racing. But I am sure most farmers would wonder what is wrong with shooting a dog; I bet that is what happens to farm working dogs when they are no longer use.
why is it when your in a hole you think to get out the best thing to do is dig the hole deeper.
whilst i'm sure there would be farmers who shoot their old dogs, i doubt you would find it a common way of disposing of a well respected part of the farm running these days. id say most farmers would love their farm dogs as much as their wives and kids.
i hope you havent opened a can of worms where every working dog loving farmer on ebay finds your comments vulgar.
i doubt many farmers would shoot any of his animals without very good cause such as disease.
getting back to the subject of this thread, mass killing of greyhounds whos only fault is they arnt fast enough is not ok.
not today, not tomorrow not 20 years ago.
on 20-07-2016 05:02 PM
Actually David the subject is the banning of greyhound racing in NSW.
I note you now have nothing to say about the inaccuracies in the report that was the catalyst for that banning.
Do you think it fair to destroy an industry (any industry at all) because of a report that is riddled with inaccuracies and lies...as admitted by the author of that report.
on 20-07-2016 05:11 PM
@lyndal1838 wrote:Actually David the subject is the banning of greyhound racing in NSW.
I note you now have nothing to say about the inaccuracies in the report that was the catalyst for that banning.
Do you think it fair to destroy an industry (any industry at all) because of a report that is riddled with inaccuracies and lies...as admitted by the author of that report.
absolutly right, the subject of this thread is banning greyhound racing in nsw and canberra and with luck in every state that allows it now.
nothing proven inaccurate in the report used by the nsw govt thats being said to be not acurate has any bearing on my view of the basic truth that greyhound racing is killing thousands of healthy dogs as they are not fast enough and i believe the greyhound industry can not reduce the number of 'wastage' dogs to zero.
as someone on tv said, cant remember who, there was a time we thought whaling was ok. and we used thos animals products.
attack me by all means, but when you can tell me there will be no more 'wastage' dogs being killed so a group of people can play race the dog for a living and another group of people can gamble on race the doggy races i will back off and admit defeat.