Greyhound Racing Banned in NSW

[davidc4430]

just heard a breaking news story on ABC radio saying the NSW govt will ban greyhound racing as of mid next year.

as an owner of an ex racer but not in nsw i will watch with great interest this story as it unfolds.

[davidc4430]

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@lyndal1838 wrote:

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@lionrose.7 wrote:

Actually I  understand what dave was saying and I agree, I am against greyhound racing myself.

I even understand why Dave is angry at being attacked, not on at all.

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And he in not attacking other posters?

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i have only 'attacked' those who attacked me first.

your comment on the cost of desexing? if you are getting desexing done for free wonderful. but for the other 99.9% of us we gat a bill. your comment was more of a boast than anything added to the conversation. dont ya rekon we would all love it if our vets said 'no charge cos your a good customer' when we had our loving pets put to sleep. but the reality is when you have 1 vet in your town he can charge what he thinks he can get. it would be wonderful if he said no charge today as he puts the last needle into your loved one.

 but he doesnt.

in fact the last time i my pet was put to sleep i was charged extra because she decided her time was outside opening hours and as a kick in the guts it was pay on the spot!

and yes, i am very one eyed on the subject og banning greyhound racing. and the information used for the decision was in a report by a former judge only released a month or so ago after a very exaustive investigation.

if anyone wants to believe the problems with greyhound racing can be fixed, thats their choice. just dont try to convince me, i wont be changing my mind.

[lyndal1838]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

. and the information used for the decision was in a report by a former judge only released a month or so ago after a very exaustive investigation.

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The author of the report has now admitted that there were errors in the figures used in the report and the latest report is that some of the information was over 10 years old and had nothing to do with NSW.  (from memory it was in the USA).

Much of the report has now been discredited.

[davidc4430]

ok, someone actually making a factual statment, i'm quite happy to agree the 'report is most likely error ridden.

however although i'm no university graduate i feel i am reasonably intelligent.

even though there are no actual provable figures on how many dogs are being destroyed its just makes sense that many many more are being killed than make the grade as racing dogs or are finding homes outside the racing industry.

it just makes sense that out of every 10 dogs born i dont know how many reach the track but lets say 5

that means 5 need rehoming.

the guy from the nsw racing on telly the other night said 600 pups born in nsw each year, so that makes 300 needing homes away from racing.

not counting retirees or injured dogs.

it sure would help if greyhound racing in every state kept records and made them public.

i dont for 1 minute believe 600 is the real number of pups being born each year in nsw but as they wont release any real figures i must work on that figure.

then there is the 'why doesnt the greyhound industry release real figures on numbers of greyhounds put down each year if as they say its very small?' makes no sense unless the real figures are going to hang them.

if i was being acused of killing hundreds if not thousands of dogs and i had records to show it was untrue i'd be producing the evidence quick smart.

again it just makes no sense not to produce proof of the innocence of the greyhound industry.

the live baiting is a whole seperate issue. with that i'm quite happy to go along with it being a 'few' bad apples. cept those bad apples were some of the so called top trainers in the country!

[***super_nova***]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

i dont for 1 minute believe 600 is the real number of pups being born each year in nsw but as they wont release any real figures i must work on that figure.

again it just makes no sense not to produce proof of the innocence of the greyhound industry.

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Are you sure he said 600 pups?  I would think it would more likely be 600 litters.

Nobody is saying that the industry is "innocent", there are some very horrible people involved, and there are horrible practices done by some of these people.  But there are also some nice people, and people whose whole life revolves around the industry, people who will lose everything, their income their homes, and their dogs, which they love. 

By the way, do you eat chicken, beef, eggs?  There are absolutely horrendous animal abuses occurring in that industry too.  Do you know that 1 day old baby chicks that are male, are dropped alive down to a crusher and produce blood&bone fertilizer?  Do you eat cage eggs?  Are you also so vocal about puppy farms?

[bright.ton42]

http://www.animalsaustralia.org/features/6-awful-things-nsw-greyhound-racing-inquiry-mass-graves.php

Dogs ‘ripped open’, punched in the head, shot and buried ... welcome to NSW greyhound racing, according to industry insiders.

Plenty of photos online if one has the stomach for them.

[imastawka]

And on a happier note -

 https://www.msn.com/en-au/video/watch/racing-greyhounds-put-up-for-adoption/vi-BBuopaf?ocid=spartann...

[***super_nova***]

By the way who do you think started the GAP?  it was started by the racing community with the Sandown Veterinary Clinic, which is at the Sandown Race Track.  They have more dogs offered to home than they can find homes for.  So obviously many people rather pay the $200 to have their dogs put through the program than to pay few $ to have them euthanised. 

If the figures given by Animals Australia are based on American report that would explain why these numbers are so different to what the greyhound association.  I cannot understand why these people cannot stick to facts, why they have to make things sound worse than they are; it puts people like me who have some idea about the other side of the story off.  There was a time I was very much supporting them, and I trusted them on the exported cattle story.  But now, I just do not know, and have to concede that it is possible, as some claimed, that they paid the guys to mistreat the cattle.

[lyndal1838]

I just think it is wrong that a whole industry can be closed down without consultation based on a now discredited report.

I am not debating the rights or wrongs in the greyhound racing industry and there are many, just stating that it is wrong to close a whole industry based on wrong information.  I would feel this way about any industry whether it involved animals or not.

[davidc4430]

"Are you sure he said 600 pups?  I would think it would more likely be 600 litters."

on reflection although i cant find the interview with the 600 number mentioned it would seem 600 litters would make more sense.

si i did a little investigation, seems an average greyound litter contains 8 pups.

8 x 600 = 4,800

if 50% reach the track that means new homes must be found for 2,400. thats just in NSW

i doubt half that number are being rehomed.

please do not muddy the water on this subject by attacking anyone with the 'do you eat' argument. what anyone chooses to eat or not eat does not excluce them from having a view on greyhound racing.

if you want to start a thread discussing various form of farming for human food go ahead, seems a good idea.

maybe what the NSW govt should have decided was that gambling would no longer be acceptable on dog racing, if people want to race dogs they must do it as a sport.

my view will allways be to completely stop greyhound racing as i dont believe they can stop the killing of healthy dogs from 'wastage'

[davidc4430]

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

By the way who do you think started the GAP?  it was started by the racing community with the Sandown Veterinary Clinic, which is at the Sandown Race Track.  They have more dogs offered to home than they can find homes for.  So obviously many people rather pay the $200 to have their dogs put through the program than to pay few $ to have them euthanised. 

If the figures given by Animals Australia are based on American report that would explain why these numbers are so different to what the greyhound association.  I cannot understand why these people cannot stick to facts, why they have to make things sound worse than they are; it puts people like me who have some idea about the other side of the story off.  There was a time I was very much supporting them, and I trusted them on the exported cattle story.  But now, I just do not know, and have to concede that it is possible, as some claimed, that they paid the guys to mistreat the cattle.

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the reason various groups are unable to produce reliable figures is simple. the greyhound industry refuses to release any real numbers. mr scott when arguing that the numbers were 'rubbery' would not or could not give even a 'ballpark' figure on 'wastage' dogs being killed each year. this is despite arguing that the figures in the report were from before 2015 when records were improved to show these figures. if the elected spokesman doesnt know the number we must ask 'why not?'

i have and will allways say GAP in every state do a wonderful job. until the live baiting story broke they were running on a very small budget. now they have had huge increases in funding which of course will improve rehoming of exracers. but i still dont believe they will ever rehome every healthy dog surplus to greyhound racing needs.

i ask again, how many healthy dogs is it ok to kill so greyound racing can continue? my view is none.

if you truly believe animal rights groups are paying to get 'guys' to beat animals to death while they film it well thats your choice.

lets just ingnore every other piece of evidence comming out about live export trade, like the photos of conditions on the ships taken by the industrys own vet. who was then sacked because she wrote a report for the industry bringing up these things.

the report became leaked to media, not by the author. didnt stop the industry removing someone they suddenly saw as a threat even though she did what she was asked to do by the industry after they got caught the first time.