Greyhound Racing Banned in NSW

[davidc4430]

just heard a breaking news story on ABC radio saying the NSW govt will ban greyhound racing as of mid next year.

as an owner of an ex racer but not in nsw i will watch with great interest this story as it unfolds.

[davidc4430]

i was told by the vet nurse at my vets who trained at the gilles plains vet school soth australia when she recognised my greyhound as one that was used there while she was in training. she said they recieved quite a few exracers because (they were told) the breed was extremly docile, unlikely to bite. superb specimens to study.

she said any that were deemed to have excellent rehoming prospects were handed on to GAP, i think GAP are now much better funded so prolly dont send any of theirs to the vet school.

i have no proof any were put to sleep but it seems a logical use for dogs who were to be destroyed anyway as back then rehoming was in its infancy with very few dogs finding new homes.

given a choice between paying for a dog to be put down or handing it over for vetenary education at no charge seems like a deal most trainers would be happy with.

cant say it happens in all states but it was in SA around the time i adopted.

btw, ive not had any reply on my request for information about injuries. maybe its something they still dont want to talk about.

[lyndal1838]

I am in NSW so maybe things are/were different in SA.

My daughter is a Vet nurse and she has confirmed what I have said about current practice.

I am doubtful that you will be given any information about injuries.....everyone is covering their butts and don't want to talk to anyone who is just making a casual inquiry.  They would not know how the information is going to be used.

[***super_nova***]

Yes, greyhounds get injured.  Many dogs get injured; I had one of mine rip his side open when running through bush on my property.  It took lots of stitches but he was fine.  Another dog of mine broke her toe while running in the park.  Greyhounds pull their muscles and hurt themselves, and some have broken their legs when they slip on badly designed tracks.  The muscle injury are usually treated by greyhound chiropractors.  I used to know several and took my dogs to them before show;  when I used to show.  Last time I took my dog to the greyhound vet there was a young greyhound with cast on her leg; so no they do not get all put down when they break leg.

Pet dogs get also injured; they may hurt themselves jumping off the couch.  Any dog that is taken out, let run off the leash, and jumps and plays can get injured, except his owners most likely do not even notice there is anything wrong with the dog and do not treat it.  Tradie's dogs get seriously injured when they fall off from the back of the trucks.  Not to mention all the other damage like sunburn, windchill, dust blown into their ears and eyes they suffer. 

So why don't we just ban dogs altogether, and none will get hurt or put down prematurely.

[davidc4430]

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@lyndal1838 wrote:

I am in NSW so maybe things are/were different in SA.

My daughter is a Vet nurse and she has confirmed what I have said about current practice.

I am doubtful that you will be given any information about injuries.....everyone is covering their butts and don't want to talk to anyone who is just making a casual inquiry.  They would not know how the information is going to be used.

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yes your probably right

i expect a lot of things that were going on in the past have been stopped or at least cut back a lot since all this became a news item.

[davidc4430]

there is a difference between a dog getting hurt when running around on a property, possibly chasing a rabbit or just running for the fun of it, and getting injured during a race.

when a greyhound falls during a race more often than not he or she is run over by 4 or 5 other dogs with very sharp claws all trying to catch a lure.

so where your pet dog might get injured on a stick or putting a foot in a hole, its an accident, and reasonably uncommon. id like to think most owners would have their injured pet fixed by a vet.

when a greyhound gets injured its a common occurance and part of the job. greyhounds that break a leg i doubt would ever race again, i have no proof but i suspect that unless they were of very good breeding potential they would be put down.

in south australia it is an offence to have an unrestrained dog in the back of a ute. very high fines are paid by anyone caught.

please dont start the 'well why dont we just ban all dogs carp' makes you sound like a silly person. no one is saying all dogs are misstreated when they get injured. in facy here its only me saying greyhounds getting injured isnt an accident, its a very forseeable outcome of 8 dogs racing as fast as they can in close formation.

heck if we used the same rules on the tour de boring half the field would never race again. some would even be put down. pileups in cycling are common, as are broken limbs but we dont kill the riders. as we shouldnt with greyhounds.

[***super_nova***]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/32131948/harrowing-video-shows-trainer-zapping-greyhound-with-6000-v...

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What an idiot.  I really doubt that zapping a dog would make it chase the lure faster; it will make it definitely reluctant to get into the starting box though. 

However, I do not know about this video; they say that you can hear the dog cream in pain but I must be deaf, all I can hear is the sound of the lure cable as it goes past and beep of the prod. The article says "The handheld prod is believed to be a Parmak Stock Master, designed for large cattle and capable of delivering a 6000-volt shock."  I assume that means up to 6000v, as another article said. 

In any case unless somebody can say that cattle prod is widely used it is just another example of a person that needs to be banned, and not a good reason to ban greyhound racing.

[davidc4430]

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

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@davidc4430 wrote:

https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/32131948/harrowing-video-shows-trainer-zapping-greyhound-with-6000-v...

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What an idiot.  I really doubt that zapping a dog would make it chase the lure faster; it will make it definitely reluctant to get into the starting box though. 

However, I do not know about this video; they say that you can hear the dog cream in pain but I must be deaf, all I can hear is the sound of the lure cable as it goes past and beep of the prod. The article says "The handheld prod is believed to be a Parmak Stock Master, designed for large cattle and capable of delivering a 6000-volt shock."  I assume that means up to 6000v, as another article said. 

In any case unless somebody can say that cattle prod is widely used it is just another example of a person that needs to be banned, and not a good reason to ban greyhound racing.

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personally having watched the video a few times i think its a fake.

look at the guy with the cattle prod, all long haired and unclean, not a nice greyhound trainer in clean overhauls and a bow tie.

and you never actually see a dog.

the camera keeps going all over the place so we never see anything properly.

no, i thinks its a bunch of tree hugging unemployed no hopers just creating misscheif.

after making this video they were off to protest against ants being stepped on pavements.

[***super_nova***]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

there is a difference between a dog getting hurt when running around on a property, possibly chasing a rabbit or just running for the fun of it, and getting injured during a race.

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You really do not get it, do you, greyhounds love to race.  They run with passion, they get so excited that the handler has handful to hold them when they are entering the track.  There is nothing to make them run if they did not themselves want to, unlike horses that are urged, one way or another, by the rider.

I did not say that greyhound with broken leg will race again; the one I saw at the vets was fixed and rehomed through GAP.  But the owner was paying for her leg to be fixed.

When a dog falls during race it is very unlikely that the others will actually step on him.  The other dogs, that were behind the dog that had a fall, would most likely jump over or avoid him.  You are just making up very unlikely scenarios.

[***super_nova***]

[davidc4430]

and still not 1 FACT regarding the wastage figures