Greyhound Racing Banned in NSW

[davidc4430]

just heard a breaking news story on ABC radio saying the NSW govt will ban greyhound racing as of mid next year.

as an owner of an ex racer but not in nsw i will watch with great interest this story as it unfolds.

[***super_nova***]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

and still not 1 FACT regarding the wastage figures

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Why don't you find somebody who races their dogs and ask if you can go with them one day when they take their dogs for a run.  They have to go now and then to have the dogs timed, so they establish what is their normal speed.  And see how excited the dogs get just arriving at the track, and how the handler has to hold onto them when they hear the sound of the lure cable when some other dogs run.  Given a chance they would leap the fence and get into the chase.  Once they get their run, they just curl up in the car and go to sleep.  

[davidc4430]

has anyone argued that greyhounds dont like running?

i dont think i have ever said they would refuse to run if not at the track.

you just keep rattling off the same arguments that have NOTHING to do with why i want greyhound racing banned.

my number 1 argument is the THOUSANDS of greyhounds being disposed of because the are not fast enough (not because they cant run)

of which only a small number are finding homes outside racing.

all the other problems, live baiting, injuries, miss treatment are all add ons to the argument.

only the WASTAGE is an issue i will not compromise on, if the INDUSTRY shows they can reduce wastage to near ZERO. then maybe i'll say ok go racing

BUT its my firm view the industry cannot reduce WASTAGE to anything like ZERO.

[lyndal1838]

And how is the industry going to prove anything if it is shut down without being given a chance to make any changes?

[davidc4430]

how is that my problem?

as i dont believe there is any hope the industry can reduce the death rate of wastage dogs the end cant come soon enough for this 'sport'? only sport i know of that kills non performers.

[go-tazz]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

how is that my problem?

as i dont believe there is any hope the industry can reduce the death rate of wastage dogs the end cant come soon enough for this 'sport'?

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The whole point is you have a baseless opinion that you will stick by and nothing will change it as you "must"

be right and you will not listen to anyone that has a different opinion as you consider yourself right and

everyone else is wrong,

Then you have the latest from Greyhound Racing Victoria to refute your "facts" as well:

[davidc4430]

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@go-tazz wrote:

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@davidc4430 wrote:

how is that my problem?

as i dont believe there is any hope the industry can reduce the death rate of wastage dogs the end cant come soon enough for this 'sport'?

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The whole point is you have a baseless opinion that you will stick by and nothing will change it as you "must"

be right and you will not listen to anyone that has a different opinion as you consider yourself right and

everyone else is wrong,

Then you have the latest from Greyhound Racing Victoria to refute your "facts" as well:

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well, lovely plan.....BUT

i can say its my KEY PRIORITY to be MILLIONAiRE in 5 years, but will it happen?

of course it COULD happen if someone gives me a million dollars, beyond that very unlikey.

so, victorian greyhound industry can shout till the cows (or greyhounds) come home that its their KEY PRIORITY to have every greyhound rehomed that is either not up to racing or finished racing.

it's NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. 

how long do you think they should get to have this GRAND PLAN fully up and working?

1 year? 5 years? 25 years?

or is this just another hollow promise to try to get the HEAT off the doggy racing game?

YES, i have my mind made up, because when you put money into sport like greyhound racing way too many are more interested in the money than dogs. 

i'm quite sure there are many involved even now after all this publicity that are saying, "geeze, they're just dogs!"

[go-tazz]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

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so, victorian greyhound industry can shout till the cows (or greyhounds) come home that its their KEY PRIORITY to have every greyhound rehomed that is either not up to racing or finished racing.

it's NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. 

Another baseless opinion,(you obviously don't want it to happen or even give it a chance).

or is this just another hollow promise to try to get the HEAT off the doggy racing game?

YES, i have my mind made up, because when you put money into sport like greyhound racing way too many are more interested in the money than dogs. 

As you say you have your opinion and nothing will change that,(it doesn't matter that it's completely wrong

but you believe it so that make everyone else wrong in your opinion.).

It doesn't matter what anyone else says or point out how things really are because you take no notice of it

as it's not agreeing with your opinion,(you've made yourself blind to anything but your opinion because

you have a GAP dog that lies around as a couch potato).

My son has a 6 year old dog that's just like that,(his racing dogs drag him around the yard and go "nuts"

when they get to the racetrack,(whether it's for a trial or a race).

His 6 year old used to be like that and each of them love to race,(youthful exuberance is what it's called).

The same as your dog,(they tend to "switch off" when they get older and are re-tired by the age of 4 or 5.

i'm quite sure there are many involved even now after all this publicity that are saying, "geeze, they're just dogs!"

Another baseless opinion.

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More than 90% of particpant owners/trainers do not make "money" as you put it,(that's why they introduced an

appearance fee to cover some of the costs).

Three out of the eight dogs in any race get prize money and the rest get $40 appearance money only.

They are more interested in the dogs because they need a fit and healthy dog to at least get the appearance

money and if they are lucky,some prize money.

So as you can see that the notion that owning a greyhound is all about the money is a completely false

statement,(one of many that seems to be getting unearthed).

[davidc4430]

i guess you just have to be happy to know i dont decide the outcome of this greyhound banning idea.

i'm just 1 dilusional individual who has no say whatsoever.

i dont march in the streets, ring my local MP or even write to the papers

i would however sign a petition or mark my X to the YES box if asked should greyhound racing be banned but doesnt look like i'll get that chance.

so far 1 state and 1 territory have made the choice.

i cant see anything changing the NSW ban but who knows. as for canberra i have no idea there either.

you are hoping they are forced to back down

i'm hoping the other states decide to join them

i'm sorry if people lose jobs, income and whatever else they may lose.

same as if anything else was banned because it was deemed by society as not ok anymore. must have been hard on whalers when whaling was stopped. or fishing people when quotas were introduced to stop us fishing the seas dry. lots of fishing families lost their jobs. here where i live we once had a huge fleet of prawn fishing boats, now there is about 15 left doing the whole gulf.

we shall just have to wait and see on this one. you might get your way

[lyndal1838]

Why do you think you should be given an opportunity to vote on the issue David?

As you have been at great pains to point out, you are not involved in the industry in any way so surely you have no right to any input into whether the industry should be closed down.   It doesn't affect you or your livelihood and quite frankly anyone who is so adamant that it should be closed without the ability to see the other side of the story is probabluy the very worst person to be involved in the decision.

[colic2bullsgirlore]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

how is that my problem?

as i dont believe there is any hope the industry can reduce the death rate of wastage dogs the end cant come soon enough for this 'sport'? only sport i know of that kills non performers.

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^^^ sheltered loft life or just wearing blinkers??

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2300267/Pigeon-racing-kills-90-cent-birds-banned.html

Animal welfare campaigners are calling for a ban on pigeon racing, claiming nine out of ten birds die during some contests. 

A two-month undercover investigation by charity Peta claims thousands of birds perish every year while competing in races of up to 800 miles.

Peta claims analysis of the past ten years of race statistics shows the average survival rate of pigeons forced to fly across the Channel is less than a quarter.

http://www.urbanwildlifesociety.org/pigeons/fancy/LostPijAbuses.html

Note:  It is a customary practice of competitive pigeon racers to kill lost birds they retrieve after being found and reported by concerned people.  The hapless bird may be the result of "basket culling" in the first place, which means that birds are carelessly released far from home and any who don't make it back to their family and friends (in essence, abandoned) are deemed not worthy of keeping, anyway.

A tactic to build and maintain a false public image by the competitive pigeon racing community is to assure finders that lost birds are welcome back home, even though they will actually be killed -- if not immediately, most likely in the very near future because their failure to return home proved to their owner that they are no longer worthy of being alive.

http://www.petermaticlofts.com.au/petermatic.html

He gave me a feeding plan and training schedule and took the birds every fortnight to a local Vet to
ensure the pigeons were OK.

During that period we had a 5-week race program for young birds.

In those days young birds were only raced to a distance of 280km. After this race program was finished

Erich came past to select certain birds out of the 45, which were left.

He looked at every bird’s performance over the 5-week race program culling 21 of them leaving 24 birds to race the following season as old birds (yearlings) and to further prove what they maybe capable of, racing them through
to 700km.

At the end of the season only 3 of them turned out to be good enough to keep.

This being only 3 of the original 49 pigeons that survived to see Christmas for a second time in my loft.