Gun Control "documentary discussion"

[softail-joanie]

DISARMED: A History of Gun Control Documentary Film- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1Vu6fWro68

GUN CONTROL WORLDWIDE- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJxhc60cdHw (WARNING) Graphic Images

Gun Control in Australia- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGaDAThOHhA

British Want Their Guns Back- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKdBxpKqUvs

Gun Control - Mr. Feshamon (Official Music Video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJXwGWAGXmI

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[this-one-time-at-bandcamp]

Only a tiny minority of folks in America are advocating for a gun ban.........most Americans would like to see the current laws enforced, and loopholes in them closed.

The State of Oregon is considering a requirement that the recipient of ANY weapon sold or given away be required to undergo a background check.  Simple as that, yet the gun fondlers consider that an infringement of the rights of felons and the criminally insane.  In fact, the county I live in recently announced that they will not obey any law that "infringes" on the rights of lawful citizens, although, without a background check, how does one determine who is a lawful citizen?  This makes them complicit in the availability of firearms to both felons, and the mentally unstable.

[iapetus_rocks]

The best system for checks and balances, can be undermined when the ability to enforce it is taken away from the people and handed over to group of police, military, or otherwise. the 2ed amendment, is vital to the 1st, the 4th, and all other freedoms.

We haven't had that ability for many years now. not us in Oz or you in the USA.

We, the people, have no recourse to any other remedy than to deny those who oppress us our vote.

Our guns are useless. they have bigger and better guns.

We have handed over our freedoms because we (as a people) remain largely politically ignorant and continue to believe that we are offerred a real alternative when we vote for the left or the right side of mainstream politics.

it's only an apparent choice.

It's not a real choice.

We need to send them a message by refusing to vote for either of the mainstream parties.

A two party choice? that's what we have and that's what you have.

One or the other as if that was all there was to choose from?

There is another choice. Vote for neither of them as they have been proven to be serving the very same masters.

I advocate for no guns in private hands. and maybe I do this because I sometimes am scared of what I would do if I owned one. The frustration and the annoyance and the anger which these politicians cause me to experience is that great.

[poddster]

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@iapetus_rocks wrote:

(I was replying to joanie)

I have always argued that if one doesn't want a tyrannical govt, one should use one's vote more considerately. (I was referring the the USA's 2nd amendement)

Advocates for the personal right to own guns often argue that they need them for protection.

Firearm ownership is a proven historically verifiable risk-factor. it increases one's risk of being shot.

Nobody in a truly civilised society Needs to own a gun for self-protection.

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Like I said, the desire of someone to own a gun for the pursuit of "recreation" calls into question the character of that person. Guns are designed to kill.

it's not much of a physical sport or a physical demand to pull a trigger. it's not much of an intellectual excercise to aim at a target. I have fired guns at targets. i found it boring in the extreme. and bored people want to not be bored so what do they do? they invent exciting ways to use their otherwise boring guns by firing at live, moving targets.

For sport. for pleasure. it's a poor sort of character who cannot devise more emotionally and spiritually or artistically  (not to mention, physically) satisfying ways of obtaining pleasure.

And those sorts of characters who derive "pleasure" from a boring activity (which has the potential to endanger the lives and safety of others if they become bored enough or drunk enough on the perceived power it endows them with) are people who I would rather not choose to live close to, like next-door or in the same street.

I did say that some people might be able to demonstrate a real need to own a gun.

But for those who just desire to own and to shoot a gun, then there is a case for having their psychological make up examined rather closely.

Yes, guns do kill people. especially if in the hands of people who are so mentally unbalanced that they feel an overwhelming urge to shoot their guns (thus realising the Power that they feel they otherwise lack in their daily lives)

if you want target practice, then play with darts.

There's a whole literature on the psychological significance of guns in the minds of those who otherwise feel frustrated and disempowered in society.

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I will address what is below the red line because above it is mere claptrap and  is irrelevant.

You are at liberty to question the character of any person you so wish, but your question of doubt had no bearing in anyone's character. A firearm is designed to place a projectile where it has been aimed, nothing more nothing less, just like a golf ball, basketball, cricket ball or any other device that puts an object in motion, like a footballers foot for instance. i have to wonder how many deaths have been attributed to misplaced kicks or golf club swings.

Why are you putting emphasis on the physical aspect of a recreational activity? Do you really believe that the only effort in target shooting is pulling the trigger? Try to hold a 2 Kg weight at arms length without shaking for 10 -15 seconds, do that 65 times in the period of about 2 hours. As far as the intellectual aspect is concerned I would venture yo say that it takes more concentration and self control than say the moronic pastime of fighting over an inflated bit of pigskin by fully grown men and still others in their thousands watching the spectacle and hoping ti see an injury or a brawl.

You have extrapolated a leisure activity into one that you claim will lead to boredom. Perhaps you do not have the attention span or the self control that is a requirement of the sport but that does not mean that others share your lack of attention span and self control.

One has to wonder just how much speciality or artistic talent the typical footballer has? Footballers continually endanger the lives of others on the field and the multitude just lap it up, what spirituality or artistic talent can you attribute to that barbaric spectacle? Would you question the psychology of the the not too wise footballers who put their lives at risk and what about the spectators who attend hoping to see a brawl with injuries and perhaps a death?

I would venture to say that there are many more drunken footballers than there are drunken target shooters.

Empowerment? Perhaps you are judging others by your own failings.

Knives, golf clubs, hammers, cricket bats, scissors, rope, 4X2 timber, water, poison, motor vehicles and the list goes on and on, in the control of mentally unbalanced people are just as dangerous as a firearm.

 

 

 

 

[poddster]

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@iapetus_rocks wrote:

I advocate for no guns in private hands. and maybe I do this because I sometimes am scared of what I would do if I owned one. The frustration and the annoyance and the anger which these politicians cause me to experience is that great.

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OMG !!! now who's psychological state of mind should be questioned?

As I stated above you are extrapolating your possible mental state on to others.

[this-one-time-at-bandcamp]

Knives, golf clubs, hammers, cricket bats, scissors, rope, 4X2 timber, water, poison, motor vehicles and the list goes on and on, in the control of mentally unbalanced people are just as dangerous as a firearm.

Unfortunately, all of these items have a purpose other than to propel a lead slug at high velocity towards a target, be it human, animal, or inanimate.......

It's interesting how, every time guns are the subject, pro-gunners bring up cars as an example of causation........

[vicr3000]

Poddster

It's interesting that people seem to forget that legal firearm owners are one of the most "clean" groups you can get

in terms of lack of criminal convictions, lack of mental issues.

[poddster]

I would venture to say that it is fortunate that those articles have other uses than causing death or injury.

And a firearm has other uses as well 🙂

[poddster]

It seems to have been proven here by self admission

[softail-joanie]

The State of Oregon is considering a requirement that the recipient of ANY weapon sold or given away be required to undergo a background check.  Simple as that, yet the gun fondlers consider that an infringement of the rights of felons and the criminally insane.  In fact, the county I live in recently announced that they will not obey any law that "infringes" on the rights of lawful citizens, although, without a background check, how does one determine who is a lawful citizen?  This makes them complicit in the availability of firearms to both felons, and the mentally unstable.

Heres the thing, or thing/s with that. Firstly, it can be abused, alls a cop has to do, and they did it with me, several times is arrest on a bogus charge, make up lies on reports, theres a criminal history, no guns for you. I know,, i would not pass this background check, no convictions on anything ever, just a few arrests and reports on file. I can offer far more proof against what is on my criminal history than they can ever provide in favor of. Yet, i can't legally own a gun.

Secondly, when you require registration, a record of who has bought what guns, it's a map for a tyranical government to follow, they now know who to raid, who has guns, when they do ban them, they know who to go after, because they were dumb enough to say, "here, lookie what i have". Not to mention it's a violation of the 4th amendment, the ight to be secure in one's person, effects, and home.

Thirdly, criminals, the ones who buy or steal a gun to use in crime, well, this just won't work. they will find other ways to eather, get a gun, or if they can't, to find another weapon of choice, the next best thing. knife, club, whatever.

Gun laws only reward criminals by providing better oppertunities for advancment, and punnish the victims by taking away their ability to defend themselves. this really is not all that hard to understand is it?

[vicr3000]

Pod

I don't often get into gun control discussions but just once, I did with one person who advocated restrictions.

I turned round and said I think due to the very high number of injuries and cost to the state your daughters should not be allowed to play netball and forthwith, all netballs and netball courts would be shutdown and confiscated. And that all parents that showed emotion while daughters wwere playing would be banned from driving and the cars forfeighted to the state.

Well, of course the first thing to come out was "you can't do that", followed by "the injuries are not that high" ...... the usual arguments. When I pointed out that she was just restricting my sport and that was all we were doing to her sport, plus a few other points, she retreated.

It was an interesting discussion.

The minute you advocate arbitarily banning someone's activity, they do get defensive.