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the_bob_delusion · ‎27-01-2015

http://www.news.com.au/national/derryn-hinch-slams-celebrity-backed-bali-nine-mercy-campaign-video/s...

RADIO AND TV personality Derryn Hinch has criticised the decision made by Australian celebrities to call for mercy for Bali Nine masterminds Myuran Sukumaran and Andrew Chan, saying their campaign is “hypocritical”.

“In Indonesia, they know that when they commit crimes like this, then you could get the death penalty.

“I say hypocritical because are these people who are up there who are saying ‘I stand for mercy’ — is that for Australian drug dealers or Australians on death row, or for everybody?”

“I mean did they stand up a week ago and say ‘I stand for mercy’ for the Brazilian who was executed in Indonesia, or the one from the Netherlands, or the Indonesian woman or somebody from Malawi? Or is it just Australians?,” he said.

He also questioned whether those celebrities involved in the video were against the death penalty in general, or if they were only against capital punishment for specific offences.

“Also if you are against the death penalty, are you against the death penalty for all offences?,” he asked.

“Are you against the death penalty say for the terrorists? Did you try and campaign to try and save the lives of the Bali Bombers?,” he said.

“Did we put our hands up and say show them clemency? Don’t execute them.”

He concluded with his view: “If you’re going to say ‘I stand for mercy’, stand for mercy for everybody, if you’re against the death penalty, be against it for everybody. you can’t be a little bit pregnant,” he added.

Kinda makes sense to me.

wilk1149 · ‎29-01-2015

The federal police informed the Indonesian authorities of the actions of the Bali nine knowing full well that having been arrested in Indonesia that they would be put to death. I believe that the only reason they didn't arrest them in Australia was to save money that would have been spent on their incarceration in Australia. Now the government is crying foul that they are to be executed. Too late they could have let them get here and then arrest them. Just a pathetic attempt by a pathetic government that knows it will look good for them at the next election if they can persuade the Indonesian government to reverse their decision

vicr3000 · ‎29-01-2015

Can't remember that.

I was thinking of the film Breaker Morant.

If it's done well, it's very quick, instantaneous.

***super_nova*** · ‎30-01-2015

@secondhand-wonderland wrote:
And to go on from that if I may...

It's about recognizing someones positive actions toward rehabilitation. The fact of it is those other prisoners dont get mentioned because they dont do anything to help others, not that I'm being critical of them, it must be a living hell in prison over there. But it is extremely noble, when someone really makes an effort for others even when they are on death row. It's not the sign of a great actor or heartless drug dealer, it's the sign of someone who really is trying to make amends for the crimes he committed and what better way than to improve the quality of life for your fellow inmates.

How do you know what the other prisoners do or not do? And we are talking only about drug related charges. Local people get into drug dealing because they are very poor and desperate to make some money, or/and they are addicts. They often only get caught with relatively small amount of the drugs. The big guys do not gt caught, they make sue there is a distance between the actual drugs and themselves, and in any case they have the money to bribe people if necessary. The guys who get caught usually only have small amount but once it is over the "for personal use only" the death penalty is mandatory. They were poor and uneducated to start with, and once in the jail they do not have access to education. Their wife and kids are left to fend for themselves.

There is nothing "extremely noble" about trying to do the best in awful situation, especially if you know that doing something positive might be the only way to save your life.

As far as being nice person as opposite to "heartless drug dealer"; you cannot be serious. People are not so uncomplicated. Many years ago there used to be this really lovely guy in our group of friends; ran his own small business, had a lovely wife and kids. I met her in our playgroup, and our kids were friends. You could not meet lovelier and more generous people. So it was a shock for all of us when there was a big drug bust of huge amount of heroin being imported into the country, and this guy turned out to be one of the top guys.

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k0llectable5 · ‎30-01-2015

@***super_nova*** wrote:
@secondhand-wonderland wrote:
And to go on from that if I may...

It's about recognizing someones positive actions toward rehabilitation. The fact of it is those other prisoners dont get mentioned because they dont do anything to help others, not that I'm being critical of them, it must be a living hell in prison over there. But it is extremely noble, when someone really makes an effort for others even when they are on death row. It's not the sign of a great actor or heartless drug dealer, it's the sign of someone who really is trying to make amends for the crimes he committed and what better way than to improve the quality of life for your fellow inmates.
How do you know what the other prisoners do or not do? And we are talking only about drug related charges. Local people get into drug dealing because they are very poor and desperate to make some money, or/and they are addicts. They often only get caught with relatively small amount of the drugs. The big guys do not gt caught, they make sue there is a distance between the actual drugs and themselves, and in any case they have the money to bribe people if necessary. The guys who get caught usually only have small amount but once it is over the "for personal use only" the death penalty is mandatory. They were poor and uneducated to start with, and once in the jail they do not have access to education. Their wife and kids are left to fend for themselves.

There is nothing "extremely noble" about trying to do the best in awful situation, especially if you know that doing something positive might be the only way to save your life.

As far as being nice person as opposite to "heartless drug dealer"; you cannot be serious. People are not so uncomplicated. Many years ago there used to be this really lovely guy in our group of friends; ran his own small business, had a lovely wife and kids. I met her in our playgroup, and our kids were friends. You could not meet lovelier and more generous people. So it was a shock for all of us when there was a big drug bust of huge amount of heroin being imported into the country, and this guy turned out to be one of the top guys.

Your absolutely right I have no idea whether or not the other prisoners do anything to help others (but if they do we dont hear about it I guess was the point I was trying to make) And I understand what you are saying with the rest of the first paragraph there, and thats why I dont believe they should be getting sentenced to death for being an addict or smal time dealer. Have a look at what Portugal have done to reform their drug laws, hats off to them for decriminalising everything, their crime rate has plummetted since the new laws came in about 15 years ago...

No, to do something like that you genuinely have to care, and want to redeem yourself, so you may be right in one aspect but it's still improving the quality of life for the people there, if he gets excecuted, they can still continue on. Thats why I think it's noble.

Yeah well I'm sure they aren't the first to have been caught out trying to hide in plain sight...

vicr3000 · ‎03-02-2015

In the Age today. You can imagine my views

Every second Australian wants two of her fellow citizens to be killed for trying to take heroin out of Indonesia.

Roy Morgan Research last month asked 2123 Australians by SMS about their compatriots convicted of drug trafficking overseas and sentenced to death. Should they be executed? Fifty-two per cent said yes.

Half the respondents supported a foreign state's methodical plan to kill two Sydney men for committing a crime in which no one was injured.

Perhaps some hadn't considered the implication of their snap-opinion-by-text: that it is morally acceptable for a government to carefully plan to kill the citizens of another country for a non-fatal crime.

Not them, but all the downstream customers of the drug.