on 06-01-2015 04:04 PM
I have been to a meeting with other welfare group and we were discussing homelessness, and how we could solve the problem I found it very interesting as there area number of reasons for people being homeless.
Each of the groups were representing the own group and had ideas of how to solve the problem that their clients have.
I have been sitting here trying to come up with ideas to take to the next meeting.
Any ideas please.
on 07-01-2015 10:05 AM
@gleee58 wrote:I have a cousin that faced similar risk. A few years on and he has full time job and has been OS on holiday. Thankfully.
I believe that with many of these cases there can be good outcomes, but it requires an enormous effort from family and ongoing ( read expensive ) support from government agencies. Unfortunately serious teenage mental health issues place a huge strain on the family unit and virtually all of the dozen or so kids mentioned in previous post come from single parent families. The mothers left to care for the kids are scared of them as they can become extremly violent. One of the kids bedroom door is just a frame hanging from the hinges, the rest splintered with holes. This is the house where the group of kids sleep in the garage. A couple of other kids in the group have parents who have mental health issues themselves. One of the kids has an older brother in prison and a second older brother out on parole, living at his parents house with an ankle bracelet ( for firearms offences ). This son is dealing in a range of drugs now from home, while wearing the ankle bracelet at home. What hope has the younger child got ?
Rather than confront the kids and try to enforce acceptable boundries, the parents just let them go, to do what they please as the threat of violence or just the effort required is just too hard.
The Government agencies involved with these kids already know the answers and the systems in place for the lucky few do work, but are expensive. They need a suportive family enviroment where they are reminded daily to take their meds, encouraged to keep to a routine including school and attend medical appointments. ( but this is not there for the kids who are already roaming the streets ) The kids need access to crisis care ( secure Phsyce wards ) when things go badly wrong, but these cost $3000 per day, per kid and are almost impossible to access unless you know how the system works. Most importantly the kids need access to long term regular phscology to learn to manage their conditions. Yes this does work, but again is expensive and rationed to a lucky few. Again this just aint gonna happen if the kids are running wild without family support.
These kids are the homeless people of tommorow. They are already living fairly transient lives, sleeping everywhere but their family homes. Not always showering regularly, getting involved in substance abuse and petty crime. They are experiencing violence from older people and are generally ostrasised by society as a bunch of "crazies". The answer for these kids is early intervention to get them into programs before the families fall apart, the parents give up and the kids start roaming. BUT THIS COSTS MONEY.
07-01-2015 10:12 AM - edited 07-01-2015 10:13 AM
@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
'Poor people' has been expunged from the lexicon.It's 'low income families' now. Much more palatable.
PC BS
Low income families only covers Low income families.
Doesn't cover single people or NO income people.
"Much more palatable." For who ? More than likely you.
Saying poor doesn't denigrate anyone anymore than saying "Low income families"
because it is US that are putting a (bad) meaning on Poor, not them.
Are we going to start calling the Homeless, "temporarily unhoused" ?
on 07-01-2015 11:49 AM
@iapetus_rocks wrote:It's not how to get them a home so much as keeping homeless people still feeling good about themselves and fresh to start another day in hope.
It's nothing but a cunning plan to keep as many people as poor and as desperate as it takes in order for them to agree to work for such a minimalistic wage that it beggars belief.
And the ones who profit from this policy are the ones aps describes as having earned their money so that they can jet about in private 'planes.
Those people have wealth inconceivable to those working for minimum wage.
A cunning plan by who? Who are 'these people'. Do you have a clue what you are talking about?
And it's the people who work for minimum wage who "earn" those 1% ers their wealth.
Ask Monman to explain it to you.
A large pool of abjectly poor people is absolutely vital to the capitalist system in order to drive down as far as possible the cost of labour (wages).
And this is exactly what the Howard govt's Workchoices policy was designed to achieve.
and luckily, we didn't fall for it.
This just sounds like an uninformed conspiracy theory, which just does not exist in what we are talking about
on 07-01-2015 11:52 AM
07-01-2015 12:00 PM - edited 07-01-2015 12:01 PM
Very good Helen, very good.
We used to say in the Military if someone was lost, "Geographically embarrassed"
And then call them an idiot !
on 07-01-2015 12:01 PM
A lot of the problem is that many homeless people on a pension do NOT want to work. In my years of working with them
I have found a tiny percentage who took the opportunities they were offered, found a good job, found good rental accommodation, and thereby attained a sense of respect, but the majority would vanish if offered job-seeking support and return months later still wanting all the system could provide but not improve their status.
I'm not talking about those with genuine conditions like mental health, but there were so many fit and able people who just wanted to rort the system and got away with it.
It was disheartening for us workers who worked our backsides off to mentor them and offer really good opportunities.
One woman I know got herself off heroin and the streets, found a job cleaning a sports arena, said she loved it because of the
camaraderie and getting a good pay packet, and years later still does it and lives in a nice flat. I know it's not a blanket solution but attitude does have a lot to do with it.
on 07-01-2015 02:35 PM
on 09-01-2015 04:50 AM
I got a not so pleasent wake up call at 5am this morning. A fight broke out over someone saying the other took their cell phone and some money. Thats twice now police have showed up and had me pinned back in the dorm room unable to leave. Ok I suppose as long as they don't see me or find out I'm there.
I have an appointment with a service manager later today and am going to see if she can put me where the smoking isn't so previlent. It's hard to breathe where they have me sleeping. The women aren't supposed to smoke, but do anyway, just descretly, half burned cigerettes are all over that place, quite sickining. I suppose it beats being in the cold. It's bitterly cold outside, just walking from the parking lot to the shelter and my fingers are frost bitten. I gotta wonder why anyone would risk getting kicked out of there by fighting and smoking. Many there have no car and being outside in this kinda weather for the night could be a death sentence.
on 09-01-2015 12:23 PM
@softail-joanie wrote:I got a not so pleasent wake up call at 5am this morning. A fight broke out over someone saying the other took their cell phone and some money. Thats twice now police have showed up and had me pinned back in the dorm room unable to leave. Ok I suppose as long as they don't see me or find out I'm there.
What happened to living at your fathers place? Seemed like it was a good place all be it a bit cold.