I'm not a hard working Australian person

[martinw-48]

I don't earn enough to get a tax cut.
So I'm only a soft worker.
My work isn't worth anything according to the Liberal party.
Liffle kids going to school should just run the gauntlet.
Why would the death of a child on the road be of any significance.
Anyone earning less than $39000 per annum does not deserve a tax cut but the Liberal's are governing for all

[springyzone]

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@lyhargr_0 wrote:

I was under the impression there is amount you can earn before if affects your pension

I agree, child care workers are paid very poorly, given the training and responsibility they have each day

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I've not been on any pension so I am not sure of the exact requirements, I am just going on what my sis in law told me, haven't checked. She said that as her husband was on an invalid pension, if she worked, it affected the pension amount. But I am not sure at what point that kicked in. I was under the impression it didn't take too long to affect it though. 

Her thoughts were that even though they were losing some pension because she worked, the little bit of extra cash she did earn made a lot of difference. At that stage they had 2 children at home and it was hard to juggle expenses on a small income. Have to say she always did a terrific job.

I also seem to recall (although this was years ago) that they went on an overseas trip for a couple of weeks and during that couple of weeks when they were out of Australia, they were not given any pension.

I thought that was a bit harsh. I can fully understand that the invalid pension should be there to support Australian citizens but they should be able to go on a short holiday.

[lyhargr_0]

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@springyzone wrote:

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@lyhargr_0 wrote:

I was under the impression there is amount you can earn before if affects your pension

I agree, child care workers are paid very poorly, given the training and responsibility they have each day

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I've not been on any pension so I am not sure of the exact requirements, I am just going on what my sis in law told me, haven't checked. She said that as her husband was on an invalid pension, if she worked, it affected the pension amount. But I am not sure at what point that kicked in. I was under the impression it didn't take too long to affect it though. 

Her thoughts were that even though they were losing some pension because she worked, the little bit of extra cash she did earn made a lot of difference. At that stage they had 2 children at home and it was hard to juggle expenses on a small income. Have to say she always did a terrific job.

I also seem to recall (although this was years ago) that they went on an overseas trip for a couple of weeks and during that couple of weeks when they were out of Australia, they were not given any pension.

I thought that was a bit harsh. I can fully understand that the invalid pension should be there to support Australian citizens but they should be able to go on a short holiday.

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Doesnt sound like they were struggling too much if they could afford an overseas holiday

I think the governments' reasoning was if you are too ill to work, then you are too ill to travel overseas on a holiday. If they had travelled with Au they would have still received their pension so they  really werent prevented from having a holiday 

[springyzone]

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@lyhargr_0 wrote:

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@springyzone wrote:

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@lyhargr_0 wrote:

I was under the impression there is amount you can earn before if affects your pension

I agree, child care workers are paid very poorly, given the training and responsibility they have each day

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I've not been on any pension so I am not sure of the exact requirements, I am just going on what my sis in law told me, haven't checked. She said that as her husband was on an invalid pension, if she worked, it affected the pension amount. But I am not sure at what point that kicked in. I was under the impression it didn't take too long to affect it though. 

Her thoughts were that even though they were losing some pension because she worked, the little bit of extra cash she did earn made a lot of difference. At that stage they had 2 children at home and it was hard to juggle expenses on a small income. Have to say she always did a terrific job.

I also seem to recall (although this was years ago) that they went on an overseas trip for a couple of weeks and during that couple of weeks when they were out of Australia, they were not given any pension.

I thought that was a bit harsh. I can fully understand that the invalid pension should be there to support Australian citizens but they should be able to go on a short holiday.

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Doesnt sound like they were struggling too much if they could afford an overseas holiday

I think the governments' reasoning was if you are too ill to work, then you are too ill to travel overseas on a holiday. If they had travelled with Au they would have still received their pension so they  really werent prevented from having a holiday 

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You are totally wrong, actually.

They were struggling.

These are people who would never dream of putting on any heating during the day and only sparingly at night.

These are people who buy a lot of things at op shops and who get joy from little things. Whose outings are usually to a park. Whose ideas of 'eating out' for a treat might be fish and chips at the beach. Who meticulously pay every bill and have never taken help from any agencies.

They had the overseas holiday only because they inherited the money for it and my sis in law thought it would be a good idea for her husband to do the trip while he was still physically able. It was his mother who had died.

Being disabled doesn't mean a person is always 'ill". Disabled can often mean not having normal mobility for one reason or another.

My sister in law's husband had trouble walking & keeping balance after suffering some brain injury in a car accident. He was constantly falling. He had trouble with speech and hearing too.

It meant he could not work but it didn't mean he couldn't enjoy anything. He actually loved getting out of the house when he could.

Travelling for disabled people is a lot harder. They often have to make special arrangements with airlines and have to check out the accommodation carefully. But I don't see why you have this idea that those on a disability pension should be punished if they dare dream of an overseas holiday for a week or two.

[myoclon1cjerk]

I went on an overseas trip once when I was on Newstart. Circular Quay to Manly

[springyzone]

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@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
I went on an overseas trip once when I was on Newstart. Circular Quay to Manly

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Being on any sort of pension or newstart allowance (usually) means the people involved aren't getting a lot in the way of money.

From what I have seen, a huge factor in how well people can manage on it is whether or not they have had a chance to pay off their home. It doesn't matter if the home is modest, if it is paid off, that takes away the worry of a mortgage.

Even then, with rates and bills, it is a struggle.

But I have known some pensioners who, over time, have managed to put a little bit aside for an occasional trip. I'm not talking every year and nothing extravagant, but if they can manage it, I just think good on them.

[chameleon54]

Great posts springy. The attitude expressed by some on these boards that disabled people should just stay at home, never having short breaks and DEFINATELY never taking a once in a life time overseas holiday is actually quite insulting to people with disabilities and shows a very discriminatory attitude.

As I have mentioned on other occasions, the missus is blind and recieves a small pension.

She manages her personal finances meticulousely and manages to save a little bit of money from time to time for things such as a new laptop computer or shock horror, a short break away. And yes she has had a couple of overseas holidays.

. As for sitting around the house all day doing nothing, ( like a good disabled person should according to some ) she is a lot busier and more productive than many able bodied people. She travels to the city to play music for intellectually disabled people, volunteers on a disability advisory commitee to council and also does voluntary work assisting the elderly and visually impaired people to learn how to use technology such as facebook and smart phones. Basically shes out most days. There are many able bodied people who seem to live more isolated, insulted, unproductive lives than those with a disability. I suspect a lot of it gets down to how people think, rather than what they can or cant actually do.

[lyhargr_0]

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@springyzone wrote:

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@lyhargr_0 wrote:

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@springyzone wrote:

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@lyhargr_0 wrote:

I was under the impression there is amount you can earn before if affects your pension

I agree, child care workers are paid very poorly, given the training and responsibility they have each day

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I've not been on any pension so I am not sure of the exact requirements, I am just going on what my sis in law told me, haven't checked. She said that as her husband was on an invalid pension, if she worked, it affected the pension amount. But I am not sure at what point that kicked in. I was under the impression it didn't take too long to affect it though. 

Her thoughts were that even though they were losing some pension because she worked, the little bit of extra cash she did earn made a lot of difference. At that stage they had 2 children at home and it was hard to juggle expenses on a small income. Have to say she always did a terrific job.

I also seem to recall (although this was years ago) that they went on an overseas trip for a couple of weeks and during that couple of weeks when they were out of Australia, they were not given any pension.

I thought that was a bit harsh. I can fully understand that the invalid pension should be there to support Australian citizens but they should be able to go on a short holiday.

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Doesnt sound like they were struggling too much if they could afford an overseas holiday

I think the governments' reasoning was if you are too ill to work, then you are too ill to travel overseas on a holiday. If they had travelled with Au they would have still received their pension so they  really werent prevented from having a holiday 

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You are totally wrong, actually.

They were struggling.

These are people who would never dream of putting on any heating during the day and only sparingly at night.

These are people who buy a lot of things at op shops and who get joy from little things. Whose outings are usually to a park. Whose ideas of 'eating out' for a treat might be fish and chips at the beach. Who meticulously pay every bill and have never taken help from any agencies.

They had the overseas holiday only because they inherited the money for it and my sis in law thought it would be a good idea for her husband to do the trip while he was still physically able. It was his mother who had died.

Being disabled doesn't mean a person is always 'ill". Disabled can often mean not having normal mobility for one reason or another.

My sister in law's husband had trouble walking & keeping balance after suffering some brain injury in a car accident. He was constantly falling. He had trouble with speech and hearing too.

It meant he could not work but it didn't mean he couldn't enjoy anything. He actually loved getting out of the house when he could.

Travelling for disabled people is a lot harder. They often have to make special arrangements with airlines and have to check out the accommodation carefully. But I don't see why you have this idea that those on a disability pension should be punished if they dare dream of an overseas holiday for a week or two.

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Hey I didnt make the rules receiving not receiving a disability pension, when one travel overseas. I also didnt say I agreed with it. Personally, I couldnt give a shellgrit what they did in their life, pension or no pension

You also ( somehow) failed to mention they received an inheritance, now it all makes sense

[chameleon54]

" Doesnt sound like they were struggling too much if they could afford an overseas holiday "

I think you will find it is the insensative and discriminatory attitude expressed in your comment above that has got people offside. Just because a person is disabled it doesnt mean they should sit in a cold, darkened room with a knee rug on for the rest of their lives. What is wrong with some-one with a disability aspiring  to live a comfortable life and enjoy some of the things that most people take for granted.

Overseas travel has become the norm for many people and some disabled people want to experience international travel and culture the same as everyone else. Sure they might have to be frugal and save for an extended period to afford it, but achieving this modest goal does not mean they have not been very careful with their money. On the contrary the opposite would often apply.

[domino-710]

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@martinw-48 wrote:
I don't earn enough to get a tax cut.
So I'm only a soft worker.
My work isn't worth anything according to the Liberal party.
Liffle kids going to school should just run the gauntlet.
Why would the death of a child on the road be of any significance.
Anyone earning less than $39000 per annum does not deserve a tax cut but the Liberal's are governing for all

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Crikey - how did the OP turn into - discrimination against the disabled - again.

And I haven't read yet - where anything was considered ' undeserved '.

[domino-710]

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@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
I went on an overseas trip once when I was on Newstart. Circular Quay to Manly

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What - only a oneway ticket - or did they let you back in.