on 24-05-2015 09:05 AM
A remarkable result for this little country, Well done Irish, they are an extrordinary people.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/23/europe/ireland-referendum-same-sex-marriage/
on 25-05-2015 09:57 AM
It became clear in the final weeks of the referendum campaign that it was no longer really about gay marriage. The political chatter became less about equality, and more about Ireland's global moral reputation.
The implication is that Ireland had hitherto been a bit of a knuckle-dragger, and it was only through saying Yes to gay marriage that it could propel itself into upright, opposable-thumbs modernity. To be against gay marriage is to linger in the doldrums of half-formed humanity; to favour gay marriage is to be decent, civilised, "evolved".
So how new is this New Ireland, really? Sure, those who felt more comfortable in Old Ireland - country people, older people, priests - have been given a thorough thrashing by the Yes lobby. But that lobby has used the same demonology and censoriousness that was rampant in Old Ireland, only to different ends.
Ireland has emerged, not into a new era of tolerance, but into the age of illiberal liberalism, where, in a profound irony, those who don't like the so-called "liberal outlook" find themselves vilified and silenced.
With gay marriage turned into a litmus test of one's moral worth, those on the No side found themselves demonised, treated in the same way Old Ireland might have treated teen fornicators or godless boozers: pariahs, with no place among the decent. Where Old Ireland damned certain ideas as heresy, the Yessers of the New Ireland write off opposition to gay marriage as a kind of disorder.
on 25-05-2015 01:07 PM
Yep it was all a nasty leftie plot to undermine the moral fibre of the nation and destroy 'true blue' Irish values.
What a pity though that we can't blame it on the Muslims.
on 25-05-2015 01:54 PM
@icyfroth wrote:
It became clear in the final weeks of the referendum campaign that it was no longer really about gay marriage. The political chatter became less about equality, and more about Ireland's global moral reputation.
The implication is that Ireland had hitherto been a bit of a knuckle-dragger, and it was only through saying Yes to gay marriage that it could propel itself into upright, opposable-thumbs modernity. To be against gay marriage is to linger in the doldrums of half-formed humanity; to favour gay marriage is to be decent, civilised, "evolved".
So how new is this New Ireland, really? Sure, those who felt more comfortable in Old Ireland - country people, older people, priests - have been given a thorough thrashing by the Yes lobby. But that lobby has used the same demonology and censoriousness that was rampant in Old Ireland, only to different ends.
Ireland has emerged, not into a new era of tolerance, but into the age of illiberal liberalism, where, in a profound irony, those who don't like the so-called "liberal outlook" find themselves vilified and silenced.
With gay marriage turned into a litmus test of one's moral worth, those on the No side found themselves demonised, treated in the same way Old Ireland might have treated teen fornicators or godless boozers: pariahs, with no place among the decent. Where Old Ireland damned certain ideas as heresy, the Yessers of the New Ireland write off opposition to gay marriage as a kind of disorder.
What's the same here, in Australia?
And what makes you think that story has it right? It's just as likely that those hurt by the old ways over the years have had enough and have now demanded change.
on 25-05-2015 02:05 PM
Same sex Marriage became legal in New Zealand in 2013, I am glad the Irish have caught up, pity about Australia 🙂
on 25-05-2015 02:15 PM
@village_person wrote:
@youcandoityoucandoityoucandoit wrote:bright, he says
'Im all in favour for same sex marriage, cause Ive been having same sex with the wife for the last 30 years'
lol
Why no 'ditto' to bright? Consistency, why did you vanish so quickly?
Are you talking to me?..
If so, what no 'ditto' ?
If you want me to answer, what are you talking about?
on 25-05-2015 02:18 PM
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:Yep it was all a nasty leftie plot to undermine the moral fibre of the nation and destroy 'true blue' Irish values.
What a pity though that we can't blame it on the Muslims.
Only if you believe what you read, and dont think for yourself...
and post c&p in an effort to hopefully provoke...
on 25-05-2015 03:16 PM
@youcandoityoucandoityoucandoit wrote:
@village_person wrote:
@youcandoityoucandoityoucandoit wrote:bright, he says
'Im all in favour for same sex marriage, cause Ive been having same sex with the wife for the last 30 years'
lol
Why no 'ditto' to bright? Consistency, why did you vanish so quickly?
Are you talking to me?..
If so, what no 'ditto' ?
If you want me to answer, what are you talking about?
Don't worry Youcan ..... I don't know either, lol.
on 25-05-2015 03:25 PM
@gleee58 wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
It became clear in the final weeks of the referendum campaign that it was no longer really about gay marriage. The political chatter became less about equality, and more about Ireland's global moral reputation.
The implication is that Ireland had hitherto been a bit of a knuckle-dragger, and it was only through saying Yes to gay marriage that it could propel itself into upright, opposable-thumbs modernity. To be against gay marriage is to linger in the doldrums of half-formed humanity; to favour gay marriage is to be decent, civilised, "evolved".
So how new is this New Ireland, really? Sure, those who felt more comfortable in Old Ireland - country people, older people, priests - have been given a thorough thrashing by the Yes lobby. But that lobby has used the same demonology and censoriousness that was rampant in Old Ireland, only to different ends.
Ireland has emerged, not into a new era of tolerance, but into the age of illiberal liberalism, where, in a profound irony, those who don't like the so-called "liberal outlook" find themselves vilified and silenced.
With gay marriage turned into a litmus test of one's moral worth, those on the No side found themselves demonised, treated in the same way Old Ireland might have treated teen fornicators or godless boozers: pariahs, with no place among the decent. Where Old Ireland damned certain ideas as heresy, the Yessers of the New Ireland write off opposition to gay marriage as a kind of disorder.
What's the same here, in Australia?
The demonising of ppl who don't agree with gay marrieage. As if they had some sort of moral disorder.
And what makes you think that story has it right? It's just as likely that those hurt by the old ways over the years have had enough and have now demanded change.
What makes you think it's not right? Because you think otherwise?
on 25-05-2015 03:28 PM
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:Yep it was all a nasty leftie plot to undermine the moral fibre of the nation and destroy 'true blue' Irish values.
Really?
What a pity though that we can't blame it on the Muslims.
What do the Muslims have to with it?
on 25-05-2015 03:32 PM
Thanks bright...
sometimes what appears to one as crystal clear is unintelligible to another.
I cant see the point communicating like that.