Is The Spirit of Anzac Fading?

As living memory dies off?

 

Wil the descendants of those Anzacs be able to keep the Spirit alive?

 

As the new Australians introduce their own legends, traditions and customs, will the Anzac Spirit become dormant? Just another chapter in the History of Terra Australis?

 

Anzac Day crowds expected to fall

 

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2016/04/24/16/03/anzac-day-crowds-expected-to-fall

 

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@icyfroth wrote:

@lyndal1838 wrote:

I don't believe the Spirit of ANZAC is fading at all.

 

Some of us can no longer turn out for the services and marches but it does not mean we have forgotten.

I have already watched the Sydney Dawn Service in TV and am now watching the Canberra Service.

The rest of my day will be centred on the TV for the March and then the services in Gallipoli and France.

 

Don't forget, it is 70 years since WW2 ended.....the Veterans from then would be in their 80s now.  Many of them would no longer be able to front up for services and marches unless they have family to help them.  It is fast getting that way for Korean and Vietnam Vets too.

 

Just because people cannot physically take part in services and marches it does not mean they have forgotten or are not interested.


That's what I mean.

 

Once there are no more veterans, or even descendants of the veterans, or descendants who even care.

 

The new Australians will increasingly not be descendants of the Australians who hold the memory dear, sacred even. 

 

Will the ANZAC legend gradually fade away into folklore?

 

 


Never imo Icebuddy

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icyfroth wrote:


lyndal1838 wrote:

I don't believe the Spirit of ANZAC is fading at all.

 

Some of us can no longer turn out for the services and marches but it does not mean we have forgotten.

I have already watched the Sydney Dawn Service in TV and am now watching the Canberra Service.

The rest of my day will be centred on the TV for the March and then the services in Gallipoli and France.

 

Don't forget, it is 70 years since WW2 ended.....the Veterans from then would be in their 80s now.  Many of them would no longer be able to front up for services and marches unless they have family to help them.  It is fast getting that way for Korean and Vietnam Vets too.

 

Just because people cannot physically take part in services and marches it does not mean they have forgotten or are not interested.


That's what I mean.

 

Once there are no more veterans, or even descendants of the veterans, or descendants who even care.

 

The new Australians will increasingly not be descendants of the Australians who hold the memory dear, sacred even. 

 

Will the ANZAC legend gradually fade away into folklore?

 

 


You seem to be disregarding the current generation defence personnel now serving overseas. They will be the new veterans.  There haven't been any original ANZACs around for quite some time now.

 

Regarding migrants and ANZAC day, I saw this yesterday  Unpacking the Anzac legacy

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My FiL, who is 92 and saw service in Korea, is marching today with one of his sons, who is also ex Navy.  No, the ANZAC spirit is not fading. Numbers will probably be down this year but that has more to it being the post centenary year.

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@lurker172602 wrote:

 


@icyfroth wrote:


@lyndal1838 wrote:

I don't believe the Spirit of ANZAC is fading at all.

 

Some of us can no longer turn out for the services and marches but it does not mean we have forgotten.

I have already watched the Sydney Dawn Service in TV and am now watching the Canberra Service.

The rest of my day will be centred on the TV for the March and then the services in Gallipoli and France.

 

Don't forget, it is 70 years since WW2 ended.....the Veterans from then would be in their 80s now.  Many of them would no longer be able to front up for services and marches unless they have family to help them.  It is fast getting that way for Korean and Vietnam Vets too.

 

Just because people cannot physically take part in services and marches it does not mean they have forgotten or are not interested.


That's what I mean.

 

Once there are no more veterans, or even descendants of the veterans, or descendants who even care.

 

The new Australians will increasingly not be descendants of the Australians who hold the memory dear, sacred even. 

 

Will the ANZAC legend gradually fade away into folklore?

 

 


You seem to be disregarding the current generation defence personnel now serving overseas. They will be the new veterans.  There haven't been any original ANZACs around for quite some time now.

 

Regarding migrants and ANZAC day, I saw this yesterday  Unpacking the Anzac legacy


So we need to have a war every generation to keep ANZAC day alive?

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Who said anything about having to have a war to keep ANZAC Day alive?

 

My teenage granddaughters are well and truly versed in the ANZAC tradition and will keep the Flag flying for many years to come.

As well as the fact that the schools always have a service, they have a grandfather who served in the Navy and went to Vietnam three times.

Their Aunt was in the Army Reserve and their Father spent 20 years in the Army, ending his service as second in charge of the Bomb Dog Squad at Holsworthy in Sydney.

 

The name ANZAC Day basically commemorates WW1 but has just become a generic term for commemorating all service personel from all wars.

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What if the PC brigade keep chipping away, chipping away, at it?

 

Like this:

 

Army chaplains to remove ‘conquer’ from 102-year-old motto because it is offensive to Muslims

 

THE Australian Army is removing the motto “In this sign conquer” from the 102-year-old hat badges of army chaplains because it is offensive to Muslims.

 

The move comes after an imam approved by the Grand Mufti was appointed to join the ­Religious Advisory Committee to the Services in June.

Australian Army chaplains have had the motto on their hat badges since 1913.

 

 

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My 11y. old Great-grandson had a discussion in School about ANZAC and other servicemen to be honoured.

The teacher asked some children who in their family had served in the Armed Forces, and many had even two or more family members still serving today.

My Great-grandson had none of this nor any medals to show, but he told the teacher that his family goes to the Dawn Service and march every year to thank those soldiers for making it possible for his Great-grandparents to come to a free country.

 

Yes, migrants should be made aware that without our brave men Australia would not be the free country it is today.

I used to go to the Dawn Service, but now I too have to content with TV.

 

Erica

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Inflammatory and a nice try, but...

 

 

The new wording on the Australian Army Chaplaincy badge is under consideration and no decision has been made at this time.”

 

That article was from November 2015 and there have been no further news reports.

 

So, has it happened and they're not saying? 

 

Or it didn't fly with the powers that be?

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No not trying to be infammatory.

 

Just hoping that the ANZAC spirit doesn't get lost in  PC rhetoric, like this:

 

"THE Anzac legend is sometimes seen as the last hurrah of the Australian white male, a leading historian says.

 

PROFESSOR Joan Beaumont also warns there is a risk of Anzac centenary commemoration fatigue.

 

She cited low ratings for the Nine Network's Gallipoli series that could indicate Australians have become bored by a story they've heard so many times before.

 

Immigrants, especially those from war-torn countries, had difficulty engaging with the Anzac legend.

 

"It has sometimes been seen as the last hurrah of the white Australian male," Prof Beaumont said on Tuesday.

 

She questioned how the rest of the population related to a foundational national narrative that was essentially centred on white men.

 

One possible alternative was to reimagine Anzac Day as a time to remember loss in war everywhere.

 

The Australian National University academic will be speaking at the Gallipoli 1915 conference in Canberra this week.

 

She is one of a number of speakers reviewing the ill-fated military campaign a century on.

 

The conference opens on Wednesday with Oxford University academic Hew Strachan presenting the keynote address.

 

A panel of experts will discuss why the campaign failed.

 

Prof Beaumont, author of Broken Nation, will discuss Gallipoli and the home front, questioning a belief the campaign amounted to the birth of the Australian nation.

 

Instead, she argues, Australia at the time was a divided nation with the Gallipoli losses generating a debate about Australia's role there and later in bitter conscription referenda in 1916 and 1917. "
 
See what I mean?

 

 

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