Labor Party's biggest election loss in 80 years

[chameleon54]

The Brits have voted and the results are in. The Conservatives have won a landslide victory with Labor losing over 40 seats. There's no doubt the British election was a vote to re-confirm Brexit and denounce the attack on democracy posed by the left who refused to honour the public's wishes to leave the EU.  ( these " elites "  know better than the great unwashed public, dont they  ) But with Trump looking like he may win a second term in the U.S and Australia's Labor party in chaos you have to wonder what the left side of politics is doing so wrong and why voters around the globe are deserting the Left in droves. 

There's no doubt that one of the problems for the socialists globally is that they have abandoned their constituency of working class battlers in favour of inner city, latte drinking, P.C. do gooders who really have no idea how the real world works, but it begs the question Is the lefts global, electoral decline just a phase or is it more terminal ? 

[myoclon1cjerk]

Let's hope it's terminal. Then the right wingers can go about dismantling anything that smacks of Socialism. The first thing the Brits should realise is the workplace is not what it used to be. It's now the 'gig economy' and any reminders of the old socialist system should be abolished. Things like paid annual leave, union representation, sick pay and a minimum (award) wage. All those things that inner city latte sipping socialists hold dear. Those sorts of things will still exist of course, in the EU where most of those benefits are enshrined much to the dismay of some.
While they're at it, they might as well hack away at the NHS. That was the brainchild of a Labour minister back in the late '40's. Instead it should be modeled on the American system.
Pensions should be abolished too. You've got a 50 year working life to save for your retirement. Deal with it.
Of course while the right's in the ascendancy, I don't expect much will be done to address the planet's most serious issue,climate change.
Come back in 10-12 years and tell me these bozos have made the world a better place.
I'm actually looking forward to seeing what becomes of the U.K, post-Brexit.

[hannahmallory]

It's the Labour party in England, not Labor.  Easy to dismiss.  It's like calling liberals libtards in America when the Liberals are on the opposite side in Australia.

Heaven help us if we go to conservative and democrat.

[joztamps]

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@chameleon54 wrote:

The Brits have voted and the results are in. The Conservatives have won a landslide victory with Labor losing over 40 seats. There's no doubt the British election was a vote to re-confirm Brexit and denounce the attack on democracy posed by the left who refused to honour the public's wishes to leave the EU.  ( these " elites "  know better than the great unwashed public, dont they  ) But with Trump looking like he may win a second term in the U.S and Australia's Labor party in chaos you have to wonder what the left side of politics is doing so wrong and why voters around the globe are deserting the Left in droves. 

There's no doubt that one of the problems for the socialists globally is that they have abandoned their constituency of working class battlers in favour of inner city, latte drinking, P.C. do gooders who really have no idea how the real world works, but it begs the question Is the lefts global, electoral decline just a phase or is it more terminal ? 

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The problem is not just one for the traditional left.

It's also a major issue for traditional conservatives; how do they wrest back control of the right of politics from the dreadful people who have hijacked it - the populists, extremists, racists, religious supremacists, narcissists, the mentally unstable, serial liars, the nakedly "in it only for themselves" - in, just as examples, the USA, UK, Italy, Brazil, Poland, Hungary, India, Philippines (so far just a few wannabes in Australia's LNP,  but others are digging away underground).

[martinw-48]

Hardly the left's fault that everyone is greedy and doesn't understand that there's not enough money to make everyone rich.
It's also not a true indication of everyone's feelings on Brexit because voting isn't compulsory and how many people couldn't be bothered to stand in the rain and snow to vote when you don't have to.
Only the conservative likes to vote
It'll be fun to watch the greedy die from extreme weather events just like anyone else.
The removal of all socialist consttucts will be fun.
I for one look forward to my late life criminal career.
My life's been pretty boring.
I can't wait for my first home invasion.
Scotland is going to be motivated to leave the UK along with Northern Ireland and there'll be hard borders that'll be interesting too
Might end up with situations like the Berlin wall.
The UK will have to get used to limited food supplies and medicines because the stockpiles they have at the moment won't last forever.

[myoclon1cjerk]

Scotland's an interesting case. The SNP won 48 out of 59 seats there. I gather a lot of Scots want to remain in the EU. It might be time for another independence referendum.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50779724

[bidicus*maximus]

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@martinw-48 wrote:
Hardly the left's fault that everyone is greedy and doesn't understand that there's not enough money to make everyone rich.

Here in the US, not everyone necessarily wants the left to make them rich... but the left does tend to promise the greedy many things for free that they haven't earned.  Make too many necessities, including money, free, and... who will work?  Our whole way of life would collapse... and assuming that such schemes WOULD work... wouldn't life be a bore without it's struggles and accomplishments?

[chameleon54]

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@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
Let's hope it's terminal. Then the right wingers can go about dismantling anything that smacks of Socialism. The first thing the Brits should realise is the workplace is not what it used to be. It's now the 'gig economy' and any reminders of the old socialist system should be abolished. Things like paid annual leave, union representation, sick pay and a minimum (award) wage. All those things that inner city latte sipping socialists hold dear. Those sorts of things will still exist of course, in the EU where most of those benefits are enshrined much to the dismay of some.
While they're at it, they might as well hack away at the NHS. That was the brainchild of a Labour minister back in the late '40's. Instead it should be modeled on the American system.
Pensions should be abolished too. You've got a 50 year working life to save for your retirement. Deal with it.
Of course while the right's in the ascendancy, I don't expect much will be done to address the planet's most serious issue,climate change.
Come back in 10-12 years and tell me these bozos have made the world a better place.
I'm actually looking forward to seeing what becomes of the U.K, post-Brexit.

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I actually agree with many ( not all ) of the points you make. Things such as a national health scheme, minimum wages, free education, old age pensions to allow a reasonable standard of living for seniors, free education and other social benefits for those who genuinely need them are important corner stones of our civilised society. 

But many of these values don't even exist or under threat in the U.S and you would have to say minimum wages in Australia are also under threat from widespread underpayment and rampant immigration. Australia will also bare the brunt of climate change.

So the original OP question that no-one has actually addressed becomes even more valid. 

With so many of our social foundations under threat and a growing gap between the few elite wealthy and the rest, Why are voters deserting the Left side of politics in droves around the world ???  What are they doing sooooo wrong to be fading into obscurity when they should be flourishing ?

[myoclon1cjerk]

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/uk-news/2019/12/13/tories-win-now-the-hard-part/

[myoclon1cjerk]

"Here in the US, not everyone necessarily wants the left to make them rich... but the left does tend to promise the greedy many things for free that they haven't earned.  Make too many necessities, including money, free, and... who will work?  Our whole way of life would collapse... and assuming that such schemes WOULD work... wouldn't life be a bore without it's struggles and accomplishments?"

Seems to work well in the Scandinavian countries, bidicus. They have health care and education that you guys can only dream about.
When diabetics etc have to slip over the border to Canada to be able to afford their medication or have packages sent from Australia,there is something seriously wrong. It might have something to do with the U.S blowing half of its budget on military spending instead of looking after its citizens.