Labor should revolt, where are they? where's the outrage for this?

[silverfaun]

Where are they? all the Labor supporters on here? I haven't heard a peep, not a whimper about the sweeping changes Rudd wants to make to the democracy of the parliament.

Is it the same as the cowardly cringing that went on, the sickening acquiescence to the crushing discrimination laws Roxon wanted or the attack on the freedom of the press & curtailing of our freedom of speech Conroy wanted that all the luvvies supported.

To their shame they supported them & then not a word when the hammer finally dropped on these 2 bills & Labor abandoned them.

Where are the screams & howls of protest at what Rudd wants to do, where are the true believers who believe in the power of their collective strength & the rights of the rank & file? to ensconce himself into the leadership that the party may never be able to move him from unless they cross the floor en masse & bring him & any future leaders down on the floor of the Parliament their only option?.

Is this the price Labor are willing to pay to win just 1 election, is this the high price to our democratic parliamentary values they are willing to abrogate just to cling onto one more term?

Are all Labor supporters on here going to sit quiet & say nothing about this. Where's the outrage about this abomination or is just whinging about perceived sexism all they're good for these days or pathetic nit picking.

"Excerpt from main article:

Added to this short-term, deeply political decision-making is the undeniable enjoyment Rudd would get in watching colleagues vote for a change of party rules that effectively amounted to a repudiation of their collective action in ousting him back in 2010. One final kick in the teeth for Gillard and the so-called faceless men, as it were.

This reform also puts the Labor Party at the potential mercy of an individual leader (ironic for the party of the collective workers), and it even increases the likelihood of a party split at some time in the future. For example, if one major faction within the Labor Party continued to support a PM it would be highly unlikely that the remainder of the party would be able to collectively achieve the 75 per cent quota required to oust the leader.

This is just one of a raft of unintended consequences Labor is exposing itself to

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Theoretically the reform Rudd wants his caucus to endorse means voters could keep on re-electing a leader of the Labor Party who enjoyed the support of only one-quarter of its parliamentary team, even though that same leader pursued policies totally at odds with the brand of the party they led."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/sweeping-powers-create-dictatorship/story-e6frg6zo-122667855...

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@cats_back_2013 wrote:

Iza.. 1201am is the time that the article was uploaded to the Web page.. not the time that Tony Abbott was any place.... 

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that's correct .Where is he Cats Back ?

[monman12]

Forget "Labour revolting",  how about rank and file in some electorates, or even the local population in those electorates?

In Gillards  "safe seat" of Lalor there are 6 candidates, 5 of whom are women (reverse sexism?), 2 of the women have applied for special dispensation to nominate, as neither of them have held a continuous ALP financial membership for the past 12 months, which the rules dictate they should have, whilst one of the female candidates (ministerially  supported)  only joined the ALP 3 weeks ago and has never lived in Victoria!.

"Prime Minister Kevin Rudd says the choice should ideally be left to local branch members, but the national executive has to decide whether there is enough time before the election to do it that way."

"It is unclear whether rank-and-file branch members will be allowed to participate in a ballot to select candidates in Lalor and Hotham, along with the NSW seats of Charlton and Kingsford-Smith."

"The ALP federal executive will meet over the weekend to decide whether it will impose candidates in the four seats including Lalor."

It would appear, no it is fact, that when a juicy "safe seat"  is on offer the local apparatchiks rarely have a say in who will be selected/occupy it,  but rather the distant Executive, which usually votes on factional lines, and as for candidate eligibility rules, what rules?

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That's good the line that should be there worked that time.I didn't need to add my own 

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@silverfaun wrote:

I'm sure you didn't read the article or my comments on it. Please read the article & my comments & give me a considered  opinion rather than a serve.

Or do you want a person of Rudds character to have total control of the Labor party because that's what you intimated & you think that's a good idea do you?

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Your ramblings make no sense.

Rudd is proposing changes within Labor not parliament.

Rudd has called for a meeting on July 22 to debate any changes before changes are made.

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

Altho it will be interesting to see how Abbott changes his attitutude.

That is, if we EVER see him come out of hiding. Where the heck is he??

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He went to play in a pie factory this week and got the footy player owners to meekly declare we need to get rid of the carbon tax it's costing us too much money, while faling to consider that perhaps their extensive recent increase in size because they are growing so rapidly is the cause of their power bill increase.  Yeah real bright sparks that lot.

[lightningdance]

I'm talking about the Labor party ....duh!!!!!  I'm talking about how this so called reform could paralyze & conflict the running of parliament under Labor & consequently impact on all Australians.

Obviously none of you know what this is about.

[izabsmiling]

I'm sorry SF, I see that there is a link .

You mentioned that you gave your comments on the article ...so did I.The first thing that stands out is the slagging off of Labor supporters .

Being able to comment is democratic 

[lightningdance]

I read the whole article by SF & can't believe any right thinking person woiuld be comfortable with this.

[i-need-a-martini]

I have better places to spend my $1. Is that all it is worth lol?

Perhaps your quote by Professor Van Onselen has been taken out of context? I suspect that it was delivering 2 sides of the debate in that article as he is GENERALLY a fairly balanced writer although he leans seriously to the Right.

And in fact, his views on the subject of the parliamentary reforms have generally been positive if you bothered to read anything other than Murdoch rubbish. Didn't he even suggest to Julie Bishop last week that it was about time that the Liberal Party also made such a bold move and made the same changes to the Liberal Party?? To which Bishop spluttered and stammered and refused to respond other than spew forth more negative about Rudd that was entirely out of context.

The reason I am not going top 'debate' you is because there is nothing to debate. The reforms are well overdue. Like all change, there are negatives in that change but the positives are overwhelming.

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Did you run out of posts on your other ID?