Labor should revolt, where are they? where's the outrage for this?

[silverfaun]

Where are they? all the Labor supporters on here? I haven't heard a peep, not a whimper about the sweeping changes Rudd wants to make to the democracy of the parliament.

Is it the same as the cowardly cringing that went on, the sickening acquiescence to the crushing discrimination laws Roxon wanted or the attack on the freedom of the press & curtailing of our freedom of speech Conroy wanted that all the luvvies supported.

To their shame they supported them & then not a word when the hammer finally dropped on these 2 bills & Labor abandoned them.

Where are the screams & howls of protest at what Rudd wants to do, where are the true believers who believe in the power of their collective strength & the rights of the rank & file? to ensconce himself into the leadership that the party may never be able to move him from unless they cross the floor en masse & bring him & any future leaders down on the floor of the Parliament their only option?.

Is this the price Labor are willing to pay to win just 1 election, is this the high price to our democratic parliamentary values they are willing to abrogate just to cling onto one more term?

Are all Labor supporters on here going to sit quiet & say nothing about this. Where's the outrage about this abomination or is just whinging about perceived sexism all they're good for these days or pathetic nit picking.

"Excerpt from main article:

Added to this short-term, deeply political decision-making is the undeniable enjoyment Rudd would get in watching colleagues vote for a change of party rules that effectively amounted to a repudiation of their collective action in ousting him back in 2010. One final kick in the teeth for Gillard and the so-called faceless men, as it were.

This reform also puts the Labor Party at the potential mercy of an individual leader (ironic for the party of the collective workers), and it even increases the likelihood of a party split at some time in the future. For example, if one major faction within the Labor Party continued to support a PM it would be highly unlikely that the remainder of the party would be able to collectively achieve the 75 per cent quota required to oust the leader.

This is just one of a raft of unintended consequences Labor is exposing itself to

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Theoretically the reform Rudd wants his caucus to endorse means voters could keep on re-electing a leader of the Labor Party who enjoyed the support of only one-quarter of its parliamentary team, even though that same leader pursued policies totally at odds with the brand of the party they led."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/sweeping-powers-create-dictatorship/story-e6frg6zo-122667855...

[not_an_eloi]

dual id's, you say,  you mean you're poddster everywhere, sport.

seem to recall some character called larc, and

this dude looks like 'e stole your siggie:   http://oznewsdebate.com/index.php?topic=9.0

[lakeland27]

MM 2 of the women you mentioned have decided not to run.

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@debra9275 wrote:
Freaky, I am in Chisholm. A swinging seat , but it's been held by Anna Burke for along time now, before her it was Michael Wooldridge. (Lib)I have no idea who the next lib candidate here is, I expect that Anna will hold her seat, she is well quite well regarded by the community here

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All I know of her is what I've seen of her as speaker. What I see there I like.  She seems intelligent with a sense of humour.

[freakiness]

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@monman12 wrote:

Oh gosh the ALP are suffering from anoxia,  it has been announced that  their Federal Executive will allow rank and file candidate choice. but they obviously took a deep breath and decided not to be  really sensible:

"The national executive also ruled to remove any obstacles for eligibility for Joanne Ryan, Lisa Clutterham and Julie Ann Evans to contest the preselection in Lalor."   Obstacles?  AKA rules.

Obviously oxyygen deprivation , as  Kitching, and  Clutterham have both announced they will not now nominate for Lalor.

Clutterham had heard of Melbourne but couldn't find it, whilst faced with the prospect of Ms Kitching becoming a candidate for Lalor, several senior Labor figures said it would be a bad look. ''Why would we want to run anyone associated with the HSU"

Rules, what rules?

nɥºɾ

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Maybe it's called democracy. Times are changing and political parties need to change with them.

The locals down here are slow learners. One of my ex workmates just been pre-selected for the state election (last sopt on the ticket)  and he will get the last number on my ballot paper, unless a worse candidate nominates, as he is the embodiment of that which needs to change.  On the other side we suspect an in-law might be nominating. I just hope there is plenty of choice on the day.

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@silverfaun wrote:

If it's a lie, does saying it time & time again somehow make it the truth? NO it doesn't.

Gillard was punished for lying, Rudd won't say anything because he's too scared to, he doesn't want to fail like she did, he won't utter a lie but he won't utter the truth either.

http://www.liberal.org.au/real-solutions

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You should remind your LNP friends of that. They keep getting busted for their lies.

This week Abbott has been sprung lying about rorting his travel expenses.

Pyne lied about who dobbed in Slipper.

Turnbull lies about Quigley and NBN.

Brough lies about Slipper, Ashby and Palmer.

Hockey lied about Palmer and asking for money.

who knows what else they are covering up.

[not_an_eloi]

pick turnbull's bull

http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2013/07/12/3801900.htm?site=katherine

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@not_an_eloi wrote:

pick turnbull's bull

http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2013/07/12/3801900.htm?site=katherine

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Which one?

or should that be which bit?

Was anything he said true? 

[spotweldersfriend]

Turmbull would make a good minister for the environment ......in the Solomon Islands.

[i-need-a-martini]

You are hilarious silverfaun.

I have read that document so many times and there is NOTHING (NOTHING!!) in there that even resembles a policy.

I went through it again just yesterday bfore I posted this topic on these boards: http://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Can-any-Liberal-die-hard-help-me-find-an-actual-bon...

Now I notice you didn't respond to that thread. As did none of your fellow supporters.

Would you care to now?

And while you are at it can you respond to the questions that have been posed to you on this thread about the subject of your OP?

Or are you, like the Real Solutions document, all negative sentences and empty global circular statements?

[silverfaun]

Over 70 policy statements have been made. If you can't to look for them then that's nothing to do with me.

 Policies before an election is called are aspirational & when the election is called then real policy will be outlined. This is done because then Labor will not appropriate then for themselves as we all know how well they do on policy don't we...NOT.

You know this but it doesn't suit your agenda. As for outlining & supplying you with answers? google is your friend & you are also a avid participator on ALL political threads so you MUST know at least the rudiment's of politics.

Are you sure your'e not AM3, always begging for proof,  links & everything else.

Oh & try to keep the personal out of it if you can.

"You are hilarious silverfaun, Or are you, like the Real Solutions document, all negative sentences and empty global circular statements"