Mandatory Vaccination: Would you support it?

[the_bob_delusion]

https://www.theage.com.au/world/south-america/brazilian-supreme-court-rules-against-covid-anti-vaxxe...

Does the collective health for all trump the right of individuals?

Discuss

[imastawka]

We, in Victoria, have been having telephone consults with our doctors, so makes no neverminds to us.

[lalbo-81]

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@not_for_sale2025 wrote:

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@ambercat16 wrote:

So did I

And regarding your comments about the vaccine being rushed:

Quick vaccine development not a concern

There are concerns that vaccine development has been rushed, but people needn’t be worried, writes Mark Toshner, Director of Translational Biomedical Research, University of Cambridge. It’s true that development normally takes ten years, but this is a bad thing. Most of this time is spent seeking funding, on the logistics of setting up trials and navigating red tape. The rapid COVID-19 vaccine trials haven’t cut corners – they’ve shown what’s possible when we remove all potential barriers.

Full article covering many other concerns about the vaccines here

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Unfortunately, some people have views based upon their beliefs from outer space, rather than medical science. I say let them run with it and if they choose not to have the vaccine, then good luck. Sensible people will pay attention to the credible experts in their fields and make informed decisions. The misguided, well, they will just have to tell it to the hand.

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As long as those who refuse the vaccine stay home and way from ANY public interaction,I'd be fine with them killing their own, but they don't get to kill me. 

[4channel]

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Re: Mandatory Vaccination: Would you support it?

in reply to not_for_sale2020
yesterday

@lalbo-81 wrote:

As long as those who refuse the vaccine stay home and way from ANY public interaction,I'd be fine with them killing their own, but they don't get to kill me. 

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Well, if you've taken the jab then you'd have nothing to worry about. Also vaccinated people can still transmit.

A person that makes an informed decision to not take the fast tracked vaccine is more likely to practice better health and nutrition. They would eat food that is more natural and have less toxins added. They would be more likely to drink pure water. They would be better people to be around.

Hang out with the health nut I say!

[springyzone]

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@lyndal1838 wrote:

There has already been one case found in Cronulla which has been traced back to the Northern Beaches cluster.  So far there do not appear to be any further cases but Cronulla is about as far south as the Northern Beaches are north.....will there be any cases popping up in between?

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Short answer, I don't know, because I don't know the Sydney area at all well.

My son was saying though that if Sydney has to get a break out of the virus, he heard they got it in the exact right spot because it is known as the insular peninsula (don't know how true that is or isn't, just what he was told). Possibly like our Mornington Peninsula here in Melb.

Mornington is well off for the most part, it isn't anywhere near as multi cultural, and (possibly because of distance), the people there don't tend to travel into Melbourne or the suburbs as often.

If the Northern beaches area is like anything like that, and the people tend to keep mainly to that area, if they haven't, for the most part, been travelling into other parts of Sydney, then you have a fantastic chance to contain the virus.

Here in Melb, we didn't really have a chance because our early break outs were in busy inner suburbs with a lot of commuting being done between different areas.

Also, if the northern beaches area is less multicultural, (I don't know if it is or not) you would be pretty sure that most of the residents would be able to understand media reports so there wouldn't be any delay in getting the message across.

We can only hope those factors help to get things under control without a spread as I would hate to see NSW go through the long period of pain that we had. 

Unfortunately, the timing for it all isn't great, with Christmas and new year and people naturally wanting to have meet ups and celebrations.

It is even affecting people across Vic. My son was saying that they need 3000 police on border control from Christmas onwards so a lot of police here who thought they were rostered off for a few days or Christmas will be going north instead. 

[lalbo-81]

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@4channel wrote:

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Re: Mandatory Vaccination: Would you support it?

in reply to not_for_sale2020
yesterday

@lalbo-81 wrote:

As long as those who refuse the vaccine stay home and way from ANY public interaction,I'd be fine with them killing their own, but they don't get to kill me. 

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Well, if you've taken the jab then you'd have nothing to worry about. Also vaccinated people can still transmit.

A person that makes an informed decision to not take the fast tracked vaccine is more likely to practice better health and nutrition. They would eat food that is more natural and have less toxins added. They would be more likely to drink pure water. They would be better people to be around.

Hang out with the health nut I say!

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The key word in your post is " informed", which you aren't. If you were, you'd know there is no proof as of yet that people could still transmit the virus. Precautions are recommended until we do know one way or the other, that's called common sense. 

  And I stand by my earlier post, no vaccine=NO contact with others, no matter what you eat or drink. Heaalth nuts are dying too. 

[domino-710]

We won't be seeing a vaccine until March.

What is the difference in the US and the UK?

Hunt told ABC News 24 on Monday: “What we have seen in the UK and the US, where they have respectively hundreds and thousands of daily deaths, is they have given what’s called an ‘emergency authorisation’. It means that the assessment process has not been completed, but given the scale of human tragedy and the agony they’re facing on a daily basis, they have done that [authorised the vaccine].”

Even with the outbreak in New South Wales, known as the Avalon cluster, the situation in Australia is nowhere near serious enough to authorise a rollout of a vaccine before the full approval process is complete.

Australia's Covid vaccines: everything you need to know

Read more

“The one thing that we are absolutely certain about is making sure that our vaccination program is safe,” Hunt said. “There will be enormously powerful learnings that come from the UK and the US, but for Australians, given the circumstances, we are 100% committed to a full, thorough, but rapid assessment.

[lalbo-81]

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@domino-710 wrote:

We won't be seeing a vaccine until March.

What is the difference in the US and the UK?

Hunt told ABC News 24 on Monday: “What we have seen in the UK and the US, where they have respectively hundreds and thousands of daily deaths, is they have given what’s called an ‘emergency authorisation’. It means that the assessment process has not been completed, but given the scale of human tragedy and the agony they’re facing on a daily basis, they have done that [authorised the vaccine].”

Even with the outbreak in New South Wales, known as the Avalon cluster, the situation in Australia is nowhere near serious enough to authorise a rollout of a vaccine before the full approval process is complete.

Australia's Covid vaccines: everything you need to know

Read more

“The one thing that we are absolutely certain about is making sure that our vaccination program is safe,” Hunt said. “There will be enormously powerful learnings that come from the UK and the US, but for Australians, given the circumstances, we are 100% committed to a full, thorough, but rapid assessment.

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  I think it's just amazing how all of you pulled together and protected each other so well. I'm glad to see that you DON'T need the emergency authorization, and that your medical folks can learn from what happens here and in the UK. I wish we were more like you.

[lyndal1838]

Springy your son is right.....the Northern Beaches are known as the Insular Peninsular.

I must have seen the same article as your son.  I had not thought of it in that way but it is right.  It shows in the dramatic fall in new cases being diagnosed.

I just hope there are no new cases in the Cronulla area.....that is too close for comfort.

[lyhargr_0]

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@springyzone wrote:

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@lyndal1838 wrote:

There has already been one case found in Cronulla which has been traced back to the Northern Beaches cluster.  So far there do not appear to be any further cases but Cronulla is about as far south as the Northern Beaches are north.....will there be any cases popping up in between?

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Short answer, I don't know, because I don't know the Sydney area at all well.

My son was saying though that if Sydney has to get a break out of the virus, he heard they got it in the exact right spot because it is known as the insular peninsula (don't know how true that is or isn't, just what he was told). Possibly like our Mornington Peninsula here in Melb.

Mornington is well off for the most part, it isn't anywhere near as multi cultural, and (possibly because of distance), the people there don't tend to travel into Melbourne or the suburbs as often.

If the Northern beaches area is like anything like that, and the people tend to keep mainly to that area, if they haven't, for the most part, been travelling into other parts of Sydney, then you have a fantastic chance to contain the virus.

Here in Melb, we didn't really have a chance because our early break outs were in busy inner suburbs with a lot of commuting being done between different areas.

Also, if the northern beaches area is less multicultural, (I don't know if it is or not) you would be pretty sure that most of the residents would be able to understand media reports so there wouldn't be any delay in getting the message across.

We can only hope those factors help to get things under control without a spread as I would hate to see NSW go through the long period of pain that we had. 

Unfortunately, the timing for it all isn't great, with Christmas and new year and people naturally wanting to have meet ups and celebrations.

It is even affecting people across Vic. My son was saying that they need 3000 police on border control from Christmas onwards so a lot of police here who thought they were rostered off for a few days or Christmas will be going north instead. 

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My daugher lives in Bondi Beach, her partner lives in Manly, so  some people do travel back and forth to these areas, all the time, prob far more than  we realise they do

[springyzone]

If it really does tend to be an insular area, then the chances are high it won't have too wide a spread yet. I hope the Cronulla one was diagnosed quickly too and doesn't lead to an outbreak. I think there's every possibility of it being contained. Good luck!

I see there is one community case now in Vic. I think it is someone they are trying to investigate at the moment to see where and how the person caught it.

I'm wondering if it could be a traveller or someone close to a traveller who has been in NSW recently. Guess we'll soon find out.