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so over it..

come on Dan the man(D...K H...D) loosen the belt a bit!!Smiley Sad

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Well said and yes. I do agree that the vitamin industry has a vested interest as well.

 

 

But one probably employs more sinister tactics than the other and it's not much of a hard guess which one that is.

 

NOTE: Money can buy checks and balances and sway.

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@tezza2844 wrote:

@chameleon54 wrote:

@countessalmirena wrote:

Earlier = shorter. Considerably shorter.


That's what other states did. South Australia was highlighted by some Victorian ebay forum posters as having a larger outbreak than Victoria early in the pandemic, per head of population, ..........They where right................. South Australia's numbers where quite concerning early on, but the SA Marshall government had very effective contact tracing already in place and went very hard and fast on testing. They where also one of the first to introduce border closures and lockdown measures.

 

The result of these hard and fast measures was that the pandemic was nipped in the bud in a matter of weeks with South Australia one of the few states to basically have business as usual for the past few months.

 

It really is just silly to deny blatant facts. When you compare the S.A. Marshall governments response to Victorian Dan Andrews response its simply chalk and cheese and the results are there for everyone to see.

 

If people refuse to put politics aside for a moment and just look at the facts of how the two administrations handled the COVID  crisis, how is anyone actually going to learn from the mistakes made. There needs to be some honesty to ensure mistakes like this are not made again. The human and economic costs of partisan allegiance and ignorance are simply too high.


 

 

Well I've heard of people recovering from financial/economic disasters regularly but not many of people recovering from death

(except one and I've been a bit sceptical about that)



Thanks.... You have just reinforced the point I have been making all along. 

 

The human and economic costs of partisan allegiance and ignorance are simply too high.

 

If only Dan Andrews had put his allegiances to his out of work, union affiliated security officers aside for just one moment and accepted the offers of help with quarantine from the Police and the army ( like other states did ) the outcome for Victoria would have almost certainly been very different.

 

There are important lessons to be learned from Victoria's experience and probably the most important is that in a crisis it is vital to use the full resources of our professional state and federal agencies rather than just hiving off government contracts to your unionised, business mates who have a history criminal / bikie industry influence and practice of cutting corners. ( illustrated by recruitment of Australian quarantine officers from basic Facebook posts with little or no vetting or training. )

 

@tezza2844As you rightly point out too many families have lost loved ones and too many other people have sustained long term health problems as a result of the very poor decisions made by the Dan Andrews administration. It is disrespectful to the families affected to try to hide from the truth.  If the problems are not acknowledged, nothing will be learned.

 

 

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@domino-710 wrote:

Careful there with the colloidal silver.

 

Mayo Clinic

 

However, no sound scientific studies evaluating these health claims have been published in reputable medical journals. In the U.S., the Food and Drug Administration and the Federal Trade Commission have taken action against several companies for making unproven health claims.

 

When taken by mouth, silver builds up in your body. Over months to years, this can result in a blue-gray discoloration of your skin, eyes, internal organs, nails and gums. Doctors call this argyria (ahr-JIR-e-uh). It's usually permanent. In rare cases, high doses of colloidal silver can cause serious side effects, such as seizures and organ damage.

 

Colloidal silver may also interact with prescription medicines, including penicillamine (Cuprimine, Depen), quinolone antibiotics, tetracycline and levothyroxine (Unithroid, Levoxyl, Synthroid).

 


Yes. Thumb of success (girl version)

 

Some additional information:

 

The TGA quote โColloidal silver ingredients and silver salts have been marketed in OTC drug products for the treatment and prevention of numerous disease conditions. There are serious and complicating aspects to many of the diseases these silver ingredients purport to treat or prevent. Further, there is a lack of adequate data to establish general recognition of the safety and effectiveness of colloidal silver ingredients or silver salts for OTC use in the treatment or prevention of any disease. These ingredients and salts include, but are not limited to, silver proteins, mild silver protein, strong silver protein, silver, silver ion, silver chloride, silver cyanide, silver iodide, silver oxide, and silver phosphate.โž

 

       โ€“ Australian Government, Department of Health: Therapeutic Goods Administration. 3.4 Silver oxide

 

In a Regulatory Impact Statement by the TGA, the following is clear:

 

โUnsubstantiated therapeutic claims

 

To assist in assessing the risk to public health associated with the promotion of colloidal metal products for serious disease, the expert committee advising on the regulation of complementary medicines, the Complementary Medicine Evaluation Committee (CMEC), was asked to review the toxicity and efficacy of colloidal silver based on the medical and scientific evidence. The CMEC advised that there was inadequate evidence to support therapeutic claims for this product type.โž

 

Silver has useful medical applications, but ingesting it as a colloidal metal product is not one of them.

 

 

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chameleon, ironically Victoria is now in a better place with regard to some aspects ... as a result of the second wave.

 

Our contact tracing has vastly improved.

There's a spotlight on deficiencies in aged care (also Federal issue, of course).

There's the promise of an Institute of Infectious Disease - pledged in today's press conference.

Health care in Victoria is tremendous in terms of the quality - generally speaking - but there has been a deficiency in resources. That's recognised now, and I believe (or hope) it will be remedied.

PPE fit testing is (supposedly) happening... but we have yet to see this even beginning to be implemented in some hospitals. Fingers crossed that this will continue to happen.

We beat the wave. We darned well beat the wave. We showed that the modelling was extraordinarily accurate and we showed that case numbers can be squashed - and how.

 

But the cost of it... oh lord, it's been so difficult, and it was indeed so unnecessary if the right precautions had been taken, implemented, overseen with a view to complete responsibility.

 

It's going to be hard for Melbourne to become the world's most liveable city again.

 

 

I'm supporting local producers as much as possible. I'm going to be visiting as many places in Victoria as possible. Local businesses have always been important - now more than ever.

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On A brighter note, its fantastic that South Australia has announced it will re-open its border with Victoria after so many months of shut downs. With 14 days of Victorian donuts, the science supports the decision.

 

The country is finally starting to open up and with Christmas and summer holidays on the way people will start to feel more positive. Great for the economy and great for peoples mental well being.

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@4channel wrote:

The majority of people that get Corona virus will recover. Figures have been distorted and there was an ABC article aboout that. Also fot the very elderly and infirm and those with morbid obseity and uncontrolled diabetes, the traditionally used ventilator treamtment is not the best one.  Hydroxychloroquine has worked with some people and so has colloidal silver.


If you define " recover" as still being alive

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@4channel wrote:

The majority of people that get Corona virus will recover. Figures have been distorted and there was an ABC article aboout that. Also fot the very elderly and infirm and those with morbid obseity and uncontrolled diabetes, the traditionally used ventilator treamtment is not the best one.  Hydroxychloroquine has worked with some people and so has colloidal silver.


If you define " recover" as still being alive


Not forgetting the 2% mortality rate, which currently means 1.26 MILLION people are dead. I'm sure they will agree with 4c that they are a blip in the statistics.

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@davewil1964 wrote:

@rogespeed wrote:

@4channel wrote:

The majority of people that get Corona virus will recover. Figures have been distorted and there was an ABC article aboout that. Also fot the very elderly and infirm and those with morbid obseity and uncontrolled diabetes, the traditionally used ventilator treamtment is not the best one.  Hydroxychloroquine has worked with some people and so has colloidal silver.


If you define " recover" as still being alive


Not forgetting the 2% mortality rate, which currently means 1.26 MILLION people are dead. I'm sure they will agree with 4c that they are a blip in the statistics.


Not much data on the post-recovery health status of Australian cases

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Just googling stuff tonight when I came across this very interesting paper on the security industry that Dan Andrews entrusted his international quarantine oversight to. One interesting aspect was how organised crime and bikie gangs had infiltrated the security industry to facilitate illegal activities on our ports and airline freight services.

 

Ties right in with the recognised problems of corruption on our ports and airline freight industries by trade unions. Undoubtably the private security industry would need to work closely with the trade union movement to facilitate this illegal activity. Perhaps these close links to militant unions helps us to understand why Dan Andrews made the fateful decisions to entrust international quarantine oversight to the private security industry.

 

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.826.2518&rep=rep1&type=pdf 

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I'm more of the mind that the reason for choosing private security was a "We can handle this without your help" attitude in our state government.

 

 

 

 

With Australia now opening up to Melbournians again, I will have to think about interstate destinations to explore. We have a country of awe-inspiring glories, geological wonders, and distinctly different mixes of culture and style.

 

But what shall I do with Napoleon, the cat? I can't entrust him to neighbours; they won't pamper him and tell him he's a beautiful cat with a fine profile.

 

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(But will he behave himself if we take him along? I don't know...)

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