Melbourne Lockdown

[nicnacs_4u]

so over it..

come on Dan the man(D...K H...D) loosen the belt a bit!!

[domino-710]

Didn't happen.

Longer = eradication.

[rogespeed]

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@domino-710 wrote:

So - with the benefit of hindsight - you would have done  - prior - to what Dan has done.

Mistakes were made/have been made - there is acknowledgement of this.

There is more to running a State than - Covid - give them a break - they are when all is said and done - Human.

Judgement is an Avenue.

Money - is a means - life is life.

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I suspect early in the pandemic was considered little more than wuhan flu , far away and getting under control , so che sara sara 

Then was realised far more serious 

[chameleon54]

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@countessalmirena wrote:

Earlier = shorter. Considerably shorter.

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That's what other states did. South Australia was highlighted by some Victorian ebay forum posters as having a larger outbreak than Victoria early in the pandemic, per head of population, ..........They where right................. South Australia's numbers where quite concerning early on, but the SA Marshall government had very effective contact tracing already in place and went very hard and fast on testing. They where also one of the first to introduce border closures and lockdown measures.

The result of these hard and fast measures was that the pandemic was nipped in the bud in a matter of weeks with South Australia one of the few states to basically have business as usual for the past few months.

It really is just silly to deny blatant facts. When you compare the S.A. Marshall governments response to Victorian Dan Andrews response its simply chalk and cheese and the results are there for everyone to see.

If people refuse to put politics aside for a moment and just look at the facts of how the two administrations handled the COVID  crisis, how is anyone actually going to learn from the mistakes made. There needs to be some honesty to ensure mistakes like this are not made again. The human and economic costs of partisan allegiance and ignorance are simply too high.

[4channel]

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@debra9275 wrote:

"Not from what I have heard. Many people are in a agreement with him."

LOL   I suggest you read the responses to his posts on his twitter feed

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It's a well known fact that shills and people who use sockpuppets will attack people who speak out about certain issues. And if it's true that Andrews is prepping people mentally for a mass vaccination, it would be beneficial to buy shares in the company that gets the contract. Keep your ear to the ground.

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@debra9275 wrote:

edited to add..  the protesters are Qanon... anti lockdown. anti Daniel Andrews, anti vaxers, anti 5g and believe corona virus is a hoax  they are very much a minority here

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Well, talking to a few people who are against vaccination as well as listening to other social media commentary, I can say that they are not members of that waste-of-time fantasy cult Qanon. And they don't believe that Covid 19 is a hoax either. A minority? Well, not everyone was bold enough to get out to hit the pavement. But not "Very much a minority" as you suggest.

BTW: Even doctors have voiced their concern about what has taken place.

[imastawka]

I'd like to make the point that Melbourne had all the International flights, and cruise ships re-directed from Sydney.

And that's where our troubles started.  If not for that, we wouldn't have had the quarantine debacle that we did.

But it's a lot of if's, and today we are at 13 days of zero new cases and zero deaths

[debra9275]

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@4channel wrote:

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@debra9275 wrote:

"Not from what I have heard. Many people are in a agreement with him."

LOL   I suggest you read the responses to his posts on his twitter feed

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It's a well known fact that shills and people who use sockpuppets will attack people who speak out about certain issues. And if it's true that Andrews is prepping people mentally for a mass vaccination, it would be beneficial to buy shares in the company that gets the contract. Keep your ear to the ground.

you can't just assume that people are 'shills' or sockpuppets" because they disagree with what someone's saying. I have no idea where you get "Andrews is prepping people for mass vaccination" .. most of the vaccination 'talk' comes from the pm and health minister greg hunt

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@debra9275 wrote:

edited to add..  the protesters are Qanon... anti lockdown. anti Daniel Andrews, anti vaxers, anti 5g and believe corona virus is a hoax  they are very much a minority here

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Well, talking to a few people who are against vaccination as well as listening to other social media commentary, I can say that they are not members of that waste-of-time fantasy cult Qanon. And they don't believe that Covid 19 is a hoax either. A minority? Well, not everyone was bold enough to get out to hit the pavement. But not "Very much a minority" as you suggest.

BTW: Even doctors have voiced their concern about what has taken place.

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if you look at footage of the last protest, many were wearing MAGA caps and T-shirts... they are Qanon

as for being 'bold enough to protest"  we have been in lockdown while these people were too full of their own importance to abide by the same rules as most of us.  their protests were illegal at the times they occurred

btw.. many doctors around the world are noting our success in getting the virus under control.. here is an example

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-54654646

[imastawka]

And that report was dated 26th October - and look how far we've come since then

[go-tazz]

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@chameleon54 wrote:

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It really is just silly to deny blatant facts. When you compare the S.A. Marshall governments response to Victorian Dan Andrews response its simply chalk and cheese and the results are there for everyone to see.

If people refuse to put politics aside for a moment and just look at the facts of how the two administrations handled the COVID  crisis, how is anyone actually going to learn from the mistakes made. There needs to be some honesty to ensure mistakes like this are not made again. The human and economic costs of partisan allegiance and ignorance are simply too high.

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It is chalk and cheese in the vast difference between the two states in that the first warnings SA got were in the Barossa valley so they got early warning in a low density area.

Melboune's outbreak happened in an area that has 5 million people and the whole population of SA is 1.7 million in an area nearly 5 times the size of Vic so there can be no comparing..

Trying to compare is an unjust statement in that you simply can't compare as the circumstances were completely different as a lot of those cases as stated were should not have been Victoria responsibility to start with.

My early take on it was that all people coming in from overseas should've been in isolation away from people and my first thought was something like Woomera.

It would've kept the numbers lower but probably in the to hard basket and hotel quarantine  seems like a simple solution.

[rogespeed]

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@go-tazz wrote:

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@chameleon54 wrote:

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It really is just silly to deny blatant facts. When you compare the S.A. Marshall governments response to Victorian Dan Andrews response its simply chalk and cheese and the results are there for everyone to see.

If people refuse to put politics aside for a moment and just look at the facts of how the two administrations handled the COVID  crisis, how is anyone actually going to learn from the mistakes made. There needs to be some honesty to ensure mistakes like this are not made again. The human and economic costs of partisan allegiance and ignorance are simply too high.

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It is chalk and cheese in the vast difference between the two states in that the first warnings SA got were in the Barossa valley so they got early warning in a low density area.

Melboune's outbreak happened in an area that has 5 million people and the whole population of SA is 1.7 million in an area nearly 5 times the size of Vic so there can be no comparing..

Trying to compare is an unjust statement in that you simply can't compare as the circumstances were completely different as a lot of those cases as stated were should not have been Victoria responsibility to start with.

My early take on it was that all people coming in from overseas should've been in isolation away from people and my first thought was something like Woomera.

It would've kept the numbers lower but probably in the to hard basket and hotel quarantine  seems like a simple solution.

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Woomera under the stars would have been far cheaper with zero secondary untimely deaths than the easy popular solution

maybe next time ....

[tezza2844]

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@chameleon54 wrote:

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@countessalmirena wrote:

Earlier = shorter. Considerably shorter.

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That's what other states did. South Australia was highlighted by some Victorian ebay forum posters as having a larger outbreak than Victoria early in the pandemic, per head of population, ..........They where right................. South Australia's numbers where quite concerning early on, but the SA Marshall government had very effective contact tracing already in place and went very hard and fast on testing. They where also one of the first to introduce border closures and lockdown measures.

The result of these hard and fast measures was that the pandemic was nipped in the bud in a matter of weeks with South Australia one of the few states to basically have business as usual for the past few months.

It really is just silly to deny blatant facts. When you compare the S.A. Marshall governments response to Victorian Dan Andrews response its simply chalk and cheese and the results are there for everyone to see.

If people refuse to put politics aside for a moment and just look at the facts of how the two administrations handled the COVID  crisis, how is anyone actually going to learn from the mistakes made. There needs to be some honesty to ensure mistakes like this are not made again. The human and economic costs of partisan allegiance and ignorance are simply too high.

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Well I've heard of people recovering from financial/economic disasters regularly but not many of people recovering from death

(except one and I've been a bit sceptical about that)