16-09-2013 03:56 PM - edited 16-09-2013 03:57 PM
The new Cabinet certainly vindicates former PM Gillards statements regarding "Men in Blue Ties''
one female minister. ms bishop.. the rest are men in blue ties.. dear me, more than half of the population represented by 1 person.. Ms Bishop.. misogyny ++++
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on 17-09-2013 07:26 PM
Tony Abbott owes Julia Gillard a public apology
on 17-09-2013 07:28 PM
@jethro_woolfe wrote:no, you are incorrect (on many things but i haven't sufficient interest to be writing replies) the bonus was set to continue. with improvements elsewhere it would be feasible to remove it in future (it was initiated by educators despite rubbish written to the contrary)
now its back to the bad old days for public school teachers . not to mention the students.
so why didn't it continue?
who removed it?
on 17-09-2013 07:34 PM
My only interest lays in outcomes for public schools. i don't care about the deduction, just the return of a two tiered education system as an ideal. its the pits, and destroys the tradition of a fair go in the case of the disadvantaged students i mention. these kids have parents who don't pay tax anyway, and those who do drink and gamble the rest (with admirable exceptions). to deny these children is elitist and smacks of something foul-smelling.
on 17-09-2013 07:36 PM
Not in my way if seeing it.
on 17-09-2013 07:37 PM
@master*and*commander wrote:
@jethro_woolfe wrote:no, you are incorrect (on many things but i haven't sufficient interest to be writing replies) the bonus was set to continue. with improvements elsewhere it would be feasible to remove it in future (it was initiated by educators despite rubbish written to the contrary)
now its back to the bad old days for public school teachers . not to mention the students.
so why didn't it continue?
who removed it?
Abbott.. is he re-introducing the former tax arrangements ?
on 17-09-2013 07:44 PM
@jethro_woolfe wrote:My only interest lays in outcomes for public schools. i don't care about the deduction, just the return of a two tiered education system as an ideal. its the pits, and destroys the tradition of a fair go in the case of the disadvantaged students i mention. these kids have parents who don't pay tax anyway, and those who do drink and gamble the rest (with admirable exceptions). to deny these children is elitist and smacks of something foul-smelling.
I agree.
My main point though was that before the deceitful subterfuge of the bait and switch of the deduction was that many families were already receiving this assistance. It was sold as a "bonus" when it was really just a replacement and now no one is getting it, and they're not getting the bonus either, not even those from the disadvantaged circumstances that you describe.
What they are now getting is a higher income "on paper" which decreases their ability to access government assistance that they were previously able to. So, in all, no winners and a whole heap worse off than before.
That was only one example, another is the raising of the tax free threshold - on paper it does appear to give people more money in their pockets, but it also decreases the amount that they were already entitled to through other means of assistance, and many cases they are no longer eligible for assistance at all.
on 17-09-2013 07:45 PM
@izabsmiling wrote:Tony Abbott owes Julia Gillard a public apology
What for?
on 17-09-2013 07:47 PM
@jethro_woolfe wrote:
@master*and*commander wrote:
@jethro_woolfe wrote:no, you are incorrect (on many things but i haven't sufficient interest to be writing replies) the bonus was set to continue. with improvements elsewhere it would be feasible to remove it in future (it was initiated by educators despite rubbish written to the contrary)
now its back to the bad old days for public school teachers . not to mention the students.
so why didn't it continue?
who removed it?
Abbott.. is he re-introducing the former tax arrangements ?
Did he discontinue them in the first place?
Why wasn't it continued?
Who removed it?
Are you saying that it wqs Abbott who rtemoved the tax deduction and also stopped the "bonus" after only one year?
on 17-09-2013 08:09 PM
We need someone to lead our country in the best way that they are able to. If Tony's background makes it harder for him to recognise the strengths of able women or to earn his confidence, then in order for him to do his job effectively he needs to operate within his comfort zone.
That is one of the most worrying observations I have ever read. What if a future PM decided she didn't feel comfortable working with men - would you be happy to see an all female cabinet, based on the prejudices of one woman?
on 17-09-2013 08:27 PM
where have i said emphatically that his prejudices were based on one woman or that I believed that they were?
As I have repeated many times now, it is my belief that people should get a job based on their ability to perform that job. I do believe though that the whole sexism thing has been blown out of the water, as at this stage there is no clear evidence that he has specifically or intentionally excluded women from his supporting positions. Perhaps, in his opinion, (and it is his opinion that was voted in and is the preferred one of the country at present) he has selected those people best suited for the job at this point in time.
I understand though that if Tony does have ingrained beliefs (he may not even be aware of them, but he's pretty old, isn't he? Isn't he from that era where he was probably bought up to not expect women to be competent or even interested in politics?), and regardless of whether those beliefs are real, imagined or even substantiated, he does need to feel comfortable in the ability of those whom form his support team in order for him to do his job effectively. At least in the early days of his position.
I can't see how anyone can do their job effectively if they do not have confidence in the ability of their colleagues.
If the country objects, they can vote him out.
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:We need someone to lead our country in the best way that they are able to. If Tony's background makes it harder for him to recognise the strengths of able women or to earn his confidence, then in order for him to do his job effectively he needs to operate within his comfort zone.
That is one of the most worrying observations I have ever read. What if a future PM decided she didn't feel comfortable working with men - would you be happy to see an all female cabinet, based on the prejudices of one woman?