09-11-2021 04:15 AM - edited 09-11-2021 04:18 AM
We're not there yet. We're not yet at a stage where we can truly consider the world to have moved to COVID-normal. But we can see it on the horizon, and we can start to live in a way that is locally "living with COVID-19", barring any setbacks with more virulent or more infectious strains of SARS-CoV-2.
This is due to the vaccines that have been developed, approved, and administered in Australia and in many parts of the world.
If you read the thread State by State, Australia vs Elsewhere, in the age of COVID-19 and beyond, particularly in reference to the Australian CHO Prof. Paul Kelly's opinion piece, that article in the post to which I've linked raises some interesting points.
It brings to the forefront of my mind a perception that the deaths and adverse outcomes he mentions are not acceptable. In the same way, I do not consider any preventable deaths as acceptable. It may be a pragmatic reality that such deaths and adverse outcomes occur; however, there are simple things we can do to limit those outcomes.
I have been advocating for certain hygiene measures and air purification measures for some time. That has to step up now. Some of these measures cost absolutely nothing; some will require some financial outlay. But what is the cost of human life?
We should attempt to make Australia a nation of healthy individuals, but this is an immense task. Being healthy and fit reduces risk factors, so it does make sense for us to optimise our state of fitness. COST: I could say "nothing", but the truth is that this is a magic health outcome that GPs and nutritionists have been trying to achieve for a very long time. Ah well, that's a discussion for another day.
All of these measures can only help us in this Delta-variant world if the great majority are vaccinated.
And... of course... we have a responsibility to make those vaccines available to each nation and each individual. If we don't help the poor, not only is that our moral shame but it is an ongoing risk to every single one of us.
on 25-01-2022 01:12 PM
It stands to reason - any symptoms as such - would indicate - yes - positive - RATS - are not 100%.
Mixing with family once they felt well - feeling better is not an indication of non contagious - perhaps they should have self isolated - till sure.
on 25-01-2022 01:55 PM
The rule of thumb is… if unwell, do not mingle. Assume you’re COVID-19 positive.
The RATs are not 100%. Absolutely agreed. The sensitivity varies. Even the ones approved by the TGA include some which have no more than “acceptable sensitivity” (about 80%). So… some will test negative when they are positive, and it’s especially the case when using the tests they are “acceptable” instead of “very high sensitivity” (95% accuracy).
25-01-2022 03:21 PM - edited 25-01-2022 03:22 PM
@domino-710 wrote:It stands to reason - any symptoms as such - would indicate - yes - positive - RATS - are not 100%.
The thing is with my daughter, she has a condition where some of the covid symptoms are normal. She always has what is called a TOF cough, she has lung trouble plus she suffers from migraines. And yes, she isolated at home till she felt well. Plus a neg test. Not much more she could do really. Two tests actually and both neg.
In fact, there is nothing to say my daughter had covid except she feels she must have had.
on 25-01-2022 03:38 PM
I hope both daughters & families are OK Springy.
Lung probs - every reason to take extra care.
on 26-01-2022 07:05 AM
Thanks Domino.
The one with lung trouble etc has always been very worried about covid. Has been ordering groceries online for 2 years to avoid supermarkets & shops and so on.
So she was on the cautious side as soon as she felt a bit unwell. That's why the family came home from holiday and got tested. What she is finding amazing though is she was okay in a day or so and felt fine so she put it down to just a run of the mill bug as she was sure if she ever had covid it would be much worse than a 24 hour type thing. Maybe it was as she is still testing neg but her husband and daughter are definitely positive though feeling well.
But we are hoping that what she had was covid and a mild case.
The problem now of course is they all have to isolate for 7 days and with school starting next week, her youngest is going to miss his first day of school.
Same for my other daughter and one of her children. Just an inconvenient time to get it I guess but it is just the way things go, I suppose.
on 26-01-2022 07:49 AM
springyzone, I hope all goes well with your daughter; has she had her booster yet?
on 26-01-2022 08:06 AM
No, she hasn't had her booster yet. I guess it must be getting to the time to have it. It is a pity we don't know for sure if she actually had covid or not. I was reading the rapid tests are not as accurate at the beginning or end of an infection but have really good accuracy during the most infectious time so it is so hard to tell as she had 2 neg tests a week apart but maybe they were too close to beginning and end.
If she did have it though, I wonder if it is best to leave the booster for a few weeks. I don't know.
My other daughter is also positive but at least we know that for sure from the test.
I am just grateful that so far, it seems to have been a mild infection for everyone, especially the children.
on 26-01-2022 08:15 AM
This is a side issue but it occurred to me this must be affecting some other families.
My youngest daughter and her family just returned from holiday. They were away 2 weeks at the beach although they did go home for a couple of days in the middle of that.
But they are home now, the fridge is pretty empty of course but they have to isolate for 7 days now. Her husband & daughter's positive tests were a complete surprise.
So she ordered groceries online yesterday but the supermarket can't do a delivery till Friday.
My guess is cases are exploding in the area and a lot of people are ordering online at the moment. But here they are with no milk, bread, fruit etc so we'll do a run today and leave some bags on the doorstep.
But what happens to people who maybe don't have friends or family to do this, if they can't get a delivery for a few days or if eg they need some panadol?
on 26-01-2022 09:01 AM
Springy, same thing happened when my whole family was tested positive - no-one to get supplies for the stricken.
Turns out.....Uber delivers everything you need straight away.
Even hard to get RATs from chemists
26-01-2022 09:03 AM - edited 26-01-2022 09:04 AM
There's free home delivery for medicines from a great many pharmacies.
As for getting groceries if you're isolating and don't have friends or family to help, perhaps posting in one's local Facebook group would work? It would probably be a good idea to get the phone numbers of every neighbour. Perhaps the local council could assist in some instances. Or... one could call one's doctor, or even local police station, and explain the dilemma. And of course, one of the most obvious places where help must surely be found is a local church.
If there is no one willing to help in any of those cohorts, shame on them!