Muslims Immigrating to Australia

[donnashuggy]

Do you have anything against it?

Why?

What about other religions? Buddhists and Christians, are they ok?

Comments welcome 🙂

[topsidesoul]

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@silverfaun wrote:

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@crikey*mate wrote:

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@azureline** wrote:

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@silverfaun wrote:

Any religious practice that does female genital mutilation on innocent children is ignorant & appalling.

Any religion that stone's women to death is ignorant & sickening.

Any religion that hangs young men for being homosexual is ignorant & criminal.

Any religion who hack the heads of 3 Spanish journalists is barbaric.

I could go on & recount atrocities by the millions perpetrated for centuries by ignorant people, but you all get the drift.

I don't see any of these practices perpetrated on people in our country by the Judea/Christian law of our land. It just doesn't happen.

All those who hate our system of law, our traditions & clamour for all christian thought & deed  to be removed from all our institutions should think twice before they jettison our civilised practices of law in our country and the human rights of our people.

It's a slippery slope & don't think we are immune from the global jihad that has swept the world.

I believe the great Muslim people who have immigrated to our country are an asset but we are witness every day to young men radicalized in our own country, the middle eastern crime gangs and the sharia law practiced not to mention the so called "cultural cut" that a blind eye is turned to.

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Most of that is cultural not Religious. It used to be a criminal offence in Australia to be a homosexual.

Hangings were the type of justice meted out for some crimes. Circumcision is still a common practice in Australia.

I don't believe there are many who hate our system of law..... well some who feel their treatment was in error maybe. We don't have Sharia Law but if we did, it would be limited to domestic matters and only for Muslims.

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How can you say that? How could you know in what capacity it would be enacted?

We studied Sharia Law in Transnational Law, and it ios far more pervasive than "limited to domestic matters", it spills over into differing treatment and considerations and penalties and allowances across all aspects of the law.

Any law is pervasive and overarching, it cannot be "limited to domestic matters"

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100% true Crikey and I am saddened to see the apologists for these atrocities on here. No decent human being could excuse these practices, cultural or religious.

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Aplogists?.......nice blanket statment there disguising mud slinging.

If your going to make that claim, please provide examples.

Don't really care about these types of thgings happeneing to people, do you?

If you look for allot of this type of sharia law you will find it occurs in countries we have regarded as allies in the war on terror. One being our good pals Saudi Arabia.

If we cared so much about sharia law, why are we doing deals with these people through military ties and selling them live animals?

You know, if you all care so much?

The LNP are apologists for child sex abuse! Or do they just writes character references for child molesters and try to politically attack the Royal comission claiming it is 'attacking Catholics'  even though statistically have siz times more abuse cliams.

The Exclusive bretheran do not stop young people from attending university with the threat of being discomunicated from their family?

They never get spoken to, I guess political donations make the world go round.

[para-sights]

Yes they are against the law which is why you pretty much don't see any of it happen here.

[*crikey*mate*]

"why are we doing deals with these people through military ties and selling them live animals?"

That was a rhetorical question, wasn't it?

You didn't really need someone to explain that to you, did you?

[topsidesoul]

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@crikey*mate wrote:

"why are we doing deals with these people through military ties and selling them live animals?"

That was a rhetorical question, wasn't it?

You didn't really need someone to explain that to you, did you?

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Rhetorical? No, it seems for the loudest, their shock only goes as deep as their pockets or favourite political parties policies.

 I wanted someone so shocked that this happens in 'progressive countries like Saudi Arabia'  to display the hypocrisy.

Also if your wife ever wants to holiday there she nees her husbands permission.

[*crikey*mate*]

I am the wife and my husband will "allow" me to do anything I want to do.

and to answer those questions, maybe delve a bit deeper. What's really in it for us? Think of the economy, the importance of stable government yada yada yada.

[icyfroth]

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@topsidesoul wrote:

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@crikey*mate wrote:

"why are we doing deals with these people through military ties and selling them live animals?"

That was a rhetorical question, wasn't it?

You didn't really need someone to explain that to you, did you?

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Rhetorical? No, it seems for the loudest, their shock only goes as deep as their pockets or favourite political parties policies.

? What do you mean re "favourite political parties policies"?

Both political parties (lib/lab) have signed off on live exports.

 I wanted someone so shocked that this happens in 'progressive countries like Saudi Arabia'  to display the hypocrisy.

Why Saudi Arabia? What's the percentage of asylum seekers from Saudi Arabia?

Also if your wife ever wants to holiday there she nees her husbands permission.

That's the law of their land, and should be respected. As we should expect the law of our land to be respected.

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[azureline**]

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@crikey*mate wrote:

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@azureline** wrote:

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@silverfaun wrote:

Any religious practice that does female genital mutilation on innocent children is ignorant & appalling.

Any religion that stone's women to death is ignorant & sickening.

Any religion that hangs young men for being homosexual is ignorant & criminal.

Any religion who hack the heads of 3 Spanish journalists is barbaric.

I could go on & recount atrocities by the millions perpetrated for centuries by ignorant people, but you all get the drift.

I don't see any of these practices perpetrated on people in our country by the Judea/Christian law of our land. It just doesn't happen.

All those who hate our system of law, our traditions & clamour for all christian thought & deed  to be removed from all our institutions should think twice before they jettison our civilised practices of law in our country and the human rights of our people.

It's a slippery slope & don't think we are immune from the global jihad that has swept the world.

I believe the great Muslim people who have immigrated to our country are an asset but we are witness every day to young men radicalized in our own country, the middle eastern crime gangs and the sharia law practiced not to mention the so called "cultural cut" that a blind eye is turned to.

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Most of that is cultural not Religious. It used to be a criminal offence in Australia to be a homosexual.

Hangings were the type of justice meted out for some crimes. Circumcision is still a common practice in Australia.

I don't believe there are many who hate our system of law..... well some who feel their treatment was in error maybe. We don't have Sharia Law but if we did, it would be limited to domestic matters and only for Muslims.

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How can you say that? How could you know in what capacity it would be enacted?

We studied Sharia Law in Transnational Law, and it ios far more pervasive than "limited to domestic matters", it spills over into differing treatment and considerations and penalties and allowances across all aspects of the law.

Any law is pervasive and overarching, it cannot be "limited to domestic matters"

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You are right..... I should have said civil matters.......... not domestic. It would never be allowed to over ride criminal law (IMO) I can't know that but I can have an opinion on it, just like you?

As for circumcision, again, there are many groups who oppose male circumcision and call it mutilation, in Australia but for now it's legal.

I had no idea it was being an apologist or excusing anything, to involve myself in a discussion, about any subject, without applying hatred or loathing of any group of people, in that discussion.

[*crikey*mate*]

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@azureline** wrote:

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@crikey*mate wrote:

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@azureline** wrote:

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@silverfaun wrote:

Any religious practice that does female genital mutilation on innocent children is ignorant & appalling.

Any religion that stone's women to death is ignorant & sickening.

Any religion that hangs young men for being homosexual is ignorant & criminal.

Any religion who hack the heads of 3 Spanish journalists is barbaric.

I could go on & recount atrocities by the millions perpetrated for centuries by ignorant people, but you all get the drift.

I don't see any of these practices perpetrated on people in our country by the Judea/Christian law of our land. It just doesn't happen.

All those who hate our system of law, our traditions & clamour for all christian thought & deed  to be removed from all our institutions should think twice before they jettison our civilised practices of law in our country and the human rights of our people.

It's a slippery slope & don't think we are immune from the global jihad that has swept the world.

I believe the great Muslim people who have immigrated to our country are an asset but we are witness every day to young men radicalized in our own country, the middle eastern crime gangs and the sharia law practiced not to mention the so called "cultural cut" that a blind eye is turned to.

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Most of that is cultural not Religious. It used to be a criminal offence in Australia to be a homosexual.

Hangings were the type of justice meted out for some crimes. Circumcision is still a common practice in Australia.

I don't believe there are many who hate our system of law..... well some who feel their treatment was in error maybe. We don't have Sharia Law but if we did, it would be limited to domestic matters and only for Muslims.

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How can you say that? How could you know in what capacity it would be enacted?

We studied Sharia Law in Transnational Law, and it ios far more pervasive than "limited to domestic matters", it spills over into differing treatment and considerations and penalties and allowances across all aspects of the law.

Any law is pervasive and overarching, it cannot be "limited to domestic matters"

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You are right..... I should have said civil matters.......... not domestic. It would never be allowed to over ride criminal law (IMO) I can't know that but I can have an opinion on it, just like you?

As for circumcision, again, there are many groups who oppose male circumcision and call it mutilation, in Australia but for now it's legal.

I had no idea it was being an apologist or excusing anything, to involve myself in a discussion, about any subject, without applying hatred or loathing of any group of people, in that discussion.

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none of that came from me.

but yes, it would also penetrate criminal law, including penalties and incarceration, as the very essence of criminal law is "intent" and intent is often subjective and based on intravariable variables such as belief and values and this is viewed differently between the laws, so division would occur and the equality of society would erode rather than merge.

[the_great_she_elephant]

In the mid 19th century we were going to be dominated by Irish Catholics and forced into submission to the Pope - or  overrun by the 'Yellow Peril" (the Chinese on the Goldfields.)

In1918 the journalist Charles Bean lobbied aginst Monash being made commander of the Australian corps on the grounds that "We do not want Australia represented by men mainly because of their ability, natural and inborn in Jews, to push themselves.'

During the Cold War it was Communists who were going to take over the country.

In the mid 1990s Pauline Hanson declared in her maiden speech  "I believe we are in danger of being swamped by Asians. They have their own culture and religion, form ghettoes and do not assimilate"

Now it is the turn of the Muslims.

Nothing changes except the names of the Bogeymen.

Hands up anyone here who has been

genitally muilated,

forced into an arranged marriage

obliged to attend a mosque or turn towards Mecca and pray to Allah five times a day

ordered by a court to seek permission from her husband before leaving the house.

Of course some cultural practices are repugnant - female circumcision for example, is illegal in Australia - but because we are a democracy , any aspects of Sharia Law that contravine the present legal rights of Australian citizens could only come into force  if  THE MAJORITY of Australians voted for a government prepared to enact the necessary legislation

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Given the percentage of fundamentalist Muslims currently living in Australia, the tendency of later generations to abandon the more extreme cultural practices of their antecedents and the gradual secularisation of Australian Society  I suspect that day may be as long coming as the Papist takeover. 

[topsidesoul]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@topsidesoul wrote:

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@crikey*mate wrote:

"why are we doing deals with these people through military ties and selling them live animals?"

That was a rhetorical question, wasn't it?

You didn't really need someone to explain that to you, did you?

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Rhetorical? No, it seems for the loudest, their shock only goes as deep as their pockets or favourite political parties policies.

? What do you mean re "favourite political parties policies"?

Both political parties (lib/lab) have signed off on live exports.

Yes, you are pointing out exactly what I said and getting defensive, both parties.....I typed 'parties'.

 I wanted someone so shocked that this happens in 'progressive countries like Saudi Arabia'  to display the hypocrisy.

Why Saudi Arabia? What's the percentage of asylum seekers from Saudi Arabia?

Why Saudi Arabia, because we are happy to ignore the treatment of women there if it fills our coffers.What percentage of Asylum seekers favour sharia law BTW? If you tune into 2GB it would seem they have polled that most do.

Also if your wife ever wants to holiday there she nees her husbands permission.

That's the law of their land, and should be respected. As we should expect the law of our land to be respected.

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 Where did I say not respecting our law of the land and what percentage of overseas people do not respect our law of the land?

I was pointing out we ignore immoral things when its in our best interests.Hate the treatment of woman, travel to Abu Dhabi and ignore its the international sex slave trade capital of the world.

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