NBN debate full of 'erroneous' information

[freakiness]

I found this article today.

It addresses some of the issues I see repeated frequently, often by people who know better.

As I trial user I am totally sold on the NBN as an FTTP project.

In my lifetime I've seen the expansion of the copper network until it's limits have been reached.  And I've seen the emergence of optical fibre connectivity from the trunk lines and big business to the NBN.  There's been private rollouts to specific estates and other estates with Telstra. TransACT tried a variety of technologies before settling on FTTP, much the same as the NBN.

It's a great investment for us all. And about the furthest thing from short term election cycle investment in decades.

I'm happy to post the rest of the article if anyone doesn't like links but would like to read it.

It is only going to get worse. Ever since it was first announced more than  four years ago, the national broadband network has polarised people, including  those whose official public comments add considerably to the debate. Some of it  is erroneous and misleading, according to the experts. And even then, experts'  opinions vary.

IT Pro asked about a dozen Australian academic institutions to  compile a list of statements they believe are inaccurate. Three of them  responded with the following comments. You might like to add your own in the  comments below.

"Alternative technology" not really an alternative now

Mark Gregory, senior lecturer at RMIT's school of electrical and computer  engineering, said the public is being misled on how alternative technologies  including hybrid fiber-coaxial (HFC) and fibre-to-the-node (FTTN) could be used  to replace fibre-to-the-premise (FTTP) and speed up the NBN rollout.

"To change direction now requires major, multi-billion dollar contracts be  renegotiated with Telstra, Optus and Vodafone – and there is no reason why any  of these companies would agree to proceed."

He said there was also a multitude of construction contracts that would need  to be changed or exited, placing a burden on taxpayers.

"Evidence is emerging as the NBN rollout proceeds that the copper network is  beyond saving, network plant and infrastructure requires substantial maintenance  and upgrades, and there are more network black-spots than previously  identified.

"The Australian public is being hoodwinked by false statements that have been  substantively disproved," Gregory said.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/government-it/nbn-debate-full-of-erroneous-information-20130404-2h8m...

Are you in favour if the NBN as it stands?

[topsidesoul]

One wonders why things never get done in this country when people constantly complain about everything.

[freakiness]

One wonders why things never get done in this country when people constantly complain about everything.

Yeah, gotta wonder if they fought to keep the dunny man and the  candles.

[lakeland27]

here is a comprehensive run down of the difference http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2013/02/21/3695094.htm

and here is what Turnbull said today

  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-05/turnbull-expect-no-surprises-in-coalition-broadband-policy/4612388

seems someone is still trying to take the australian public for mugs (which is proving relatively simple)

[topsidesoul]

What happened to the guys in footy shorts and singlets who used to hang off the back of the garbage truck while its doing 60km/h?

Did the over use of Worplace safety kill off these smelly gods among men?

Who will I leave a 6 pack of beer for at christmas?

[catsnknots]

One wonders why things never get done in this country when people constantly complain about everything.

It is called a debate.. or a discussion... 

Unfortunately it seems that we can't do that anymore... 😞

[topsidesoul]

It is called a debate.. or a discussion... 

Unfortunately it seems that we can't do that anymore... 😞

Cut and pasting something you found is not a debate.

If it was Nero_Wolf would be a mass debater.

[freakiness]

It is called a debate.. or a discussion... 

Unfortunately it seems that we can't do that anymore... 😞

We might be debating but the Murdoch empire are in for the kill. They do not want this threat to their pay tv monopoly.

[monman12]

"....he doesn't like seeing children abused online, hardly a crime eh ?"
Agreed LL, but Conroy finally relised it would be almost technically impossible to filter content in this day and age of encrypted communications, or more likely was told.

Stephen Bartholomeusz 30th. March
Even NBN Co itself has mused aloud about whether there should be a fresh look at the costs and benefits of considering a mix of technologies.

NBN Co's admission that the National Broadband Network faces increasing competition from increasingly sophisticated wireless networks places yet another query over the economics of the network and provides another strand to Malcolm Turnbull's advocacy of a lower-cost NBN using a mix of technologies.

Thankfully, whilst the NBN has arranged to shut down any HFC/ADSL broadband competition and become a monopoly, the ACCC did not grant its request to ban competition from mobile wireless broadband.
A good  system, that requires no competition??

I am somewhat puzzled LL at the differences link, where within it twice it has stated:-

"copper expires after 30 years.",  expires???

[freakiness]

"....he doesn't like seeing children abused online, hardly a crime eh ?"
Agreed LL, but Conroy finally relised it would be almost technically impossible to filter content in this day and age of encrypted communications, or more likely was told.

Stephen Bartholomeusz 30th. March
Even NBN Co itself has mused aloud about whether there should be a fresh look at the costs and benefits of considering a mix of technologies.

NBN Co's admission that the National Broadband Network faces increasing competition from increasingly sophisticated wireless networks places yet another query over the economics of the network and provides another strand to Malcolm Turnbull's advocacy of a lower-cost NBN using a mix of technologies.

You need to check the source not what has been written.

Mike Quigley did not muse that there should be a cost benefit analysis. He said the industry should keep looking at the options and talking about the technologies.

What admission that wireless will be a threat. There has never been such an admission because it will never be a threat.  Something like 93% of all data is transferred over fixed line connections. Most wireless devices connect to the fixed line network. Most use wifi asa wifi is in range.

Did you even read the article I linked?

[sarafi123]

Gold.

Solid Gold:

Cut and pasting something you found is not a debate.

If it was Nero_Wolf would be a mass debater