People who do not vaccinate will lose $

[***super_nova***]

From January 2016 parents who do not vaccinate their kids will lose up to $15 000 in allowances/concessions, except in cases of medical  and some religious reasons. 

[k0llectable5]

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@gleee58 wrote:

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@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

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@gleee58 wrote:

I don't care if you vaccinate or not but would you mind at least hanging a sign around the neck and that of your family members who are not vaccinated so the rest of us can keep our children and ourselves away from you and yours.

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Oh my.  Absolutely typical response for someone who knows they cant answer my questions. Have a go, please try to find someone who has debunked Suzanne Humphries.  I'd love to see it.

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I don't care to waste my time on people that use dodgy past research to back up their claims that vaccination is bad. 

I have known enough people who have suffered a lifetime of pain through preventable child hood diseases to know that I would prefer immunisation, even if it is only effective enough to minimise the severity of the disease.

One of my friends from school had polio as a child and I worked with another person who had it.  They'd both give anything to be free of the lingering effects.  I've had a close relative have a stroke caused by chicken pox, know someone who's child was blinded by measles and another who's child died from chicken pox.   So no, I don't need to bother with your dodgy information.  I have done my own research and have had close family detrimentally affected by preventable disease.  

So no, I do mean it. I don't care if you chose not to vaccinate but the least you could do is warn others about your choice so they can avoid contact if they choose to.

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Why are you so hostile? Please enlighten me as to what part of my research is "dodgy past research" Most of my sources are totally current. I urge you to check out 10 minutes of a Dr Suzanne Humphries lecture or google Dr Toni Bark MD.  I'm not going to post endless YT links because I know alot here dont take kindly to that, but if you really want to know where I get my information from spend just 10 minutes and follow up some of either of these doctors sources.

[***super_nova***]

People who have been vaccinated as children or who have had the disease, or even were just exposed to them, usually have some immunity.  These are childhood diseases, because by the time person reaches adulthood they were exposed to them one way or another.  Therefore adults rarely catch them, unless they have suppressed immune system.  That is why whole communities of native inhabitants were wiped out when Europeans arrived in Americas.  These diseases did not exist there, so the people  never came in contact with them and they died from diseases that were not very dangerous to Europeans. 

The same way the flu epidemic in end of 1st WW killed mainly young  people under 40(?), older people were not that badly affected.  The reason is that older people went through another flu epidemic few decades earlier.  This flu was not as bad but was related, and most people who were exposed to it all those year earlier had developed immunity.

[raptor_rebooted]

 I'm perplexed as to why people are so sure that vaccines actually immunize because nobody is ever tested following their shots to see if the vaccine has prompted an immune response and in the event of an outbreak just as many vaxxed as unvaxxed present at the emergency room.  

posting such misinformation is irresponsible -

there will always be a percentage of people

who will believe it without bothering to further

research it.

the fact is, vaccines  go through extensive

scientific process to ensure safety and efficacy.

this process includes  clinical studies involving

thousands of volunteers who are given 

vaccinations and are being investigated/tested

for their effectiveness.

[gleee58 · Accepted solution]

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@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

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I don't care to waste my time on people that use dodgy past research to back up their claims that vaccination is bad. 

I have known enough people who have suffered a lifetime of pain through preventable child hood diseases to know that I would prefer immunisation, even if it is only effective enough to minimise the severity of the disease.

One of my friends from school had polio as a child and I worked with another person who had it.  They'd both give anything to be free of the lingering effects.  I've had a close relative have a stroke caused by chicken pox, know someone who's child was blinded by measles and another who's child died from chicken pox.   So no, I don't need to bother with your dodgy information.  I have done my own research and have had close family detrimentally affected by preventable disease.  

So no, I do mean it. I don't care if you chose not to vaccinate but the least you could do is warn others about your choice so they can avoid contact if they choose to.

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Why are you so hostile? Please enlighten me as to what part of my research is "dodgy past research" Most of my sources are totally current. I urge you to check out 10 minutes of a Dr Suzanne Humphries lecture or google Dr Toni Bark MD.  I'm not going to post endless YT links because I know alot here dont take kindly to that, but if you really want to know where I get my information from spend just 10 minutes and follow up some of either of these doctors sources.

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I'm not hostile at all.  I've just had family members seriously affected by so called harmless diseases that some say we don't need to be vaccinated against.  

Every time I've followed any of the trails of the anti-vax crowds they inventably lead back to the same discredited sources.

Nope, I don't have time to go through it all again.  And no, I don't want to see any more infants die needlessly from preventable disease, or see more infants and children suffer serious illness caused by same.

[k0llectable5]

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

 I'm perplexed as to why people are so sure that vaccines actually immunize because nobody is ever tested following their shots to see if the vaccine has prompted an immune response and in the event of an outbreak just as many vaxxed as unvaxxed present at the emergency room.  

posting such misinformation is irresponsible -

there will always be a percentage of people

who will believe it without bothering to further

research it.

the fact is, vaccines  go through extensive

scientific process to ensure safety and efficacy.

this process includes  clinical studies involving

thousands of volunteers who are given 

vaccinations and are being investigated/tested

for their effectiveness.

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Please explain to me how it is misinformation? The last thing I would ever want to do is post misinformation. 

From my earlier post

Why are there NO short or long term double blind placebo studies being undertaken involving vaccines, it's only ever healthy people that are included in the studies, it's usually (but not always) hepatitis B vaccine used as the placebo, and as soon as any subject experiences an adverse reaction, they are immediately excluded from the mostly short term studies... Studies never include pregnant women, the elderly or babies under 6 months.

Are these the types of studies you are talking about? 

[azureline**]

Can anyone tell me why  babies are given hep b vaccination at birth please? given the way hep b is spread, I am at a loss to understand it, my children didn't have it and never caught hep b.

It seems unnecessary unless they are at high risk due to family/living circumstances.

[raptor_rebooted]

Why Dr Suzanne Humphries, an anti-vaccine activist, is lying to you about measles

Dr Suzanne Humphries, a nephrologist-turned-homeopath, is a prominent voice in the anti-vaccine movement. Her 2013 book “Dissolving Illustions” was recommended to me by a homeopath when I had a baby and was unsure about the vaccine debate. However, the more I examined Dr Humphries’ claims and consulted the original studies she cited throughout her book, the more disappointed I became. Her claims are often misleading and at times outright deceptive. This post outlines the types of questionable tactics she uses to support her claims by examining the measles chapter of her book.

https://medium.com/@visualvaccines/why-dr-suzanne-humphries-an-anti-vaccine-activist-is-lying-to-you...

[k0llectable5]

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@gleee58 wrote:

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@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

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I don't care to waste my time on people that use dodgy past research to back up their claims that vaccination is bad. 

I have known enough people who have suffered a lifetime of pain through preventable child hood diseases to know that I would prefer immunisation, even if it is only effective enough to minimise the severity of the disease.

One of my friends from school had polio as a child and I worked with another person who had it.  They'd both give anything to be free of the lingering effects.  I've had a close relative have a stroke caused by chicken pox, know someone who's child was blinded by measles and another who's child died from chicken pox.   So no, I don't need to bother with your dodgy information.  I have done my own research and have had close family detrimentally affected by preventable disease.  

So no, I do mean it. I don't care if you chose not to vaccinate but the least you could do is warn others about your choice so they can avoid contact if they choose to.

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Why are you so hostile? Please enlighten me as to what part of my research is "dodgy past research" Most of my sources are totally current. I urge you to check out 10 minutes of a Dr Suzanne Humphries lecture or google Dr Toni Bark MD.  I'm not going to post endless YT links because I know alot here dont take kindly to that, but if you really want to know where I get my information from spend just 10 minutes and follow up some of either of these doctors sources.

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I'm not hostile at all.  I've just had family members seriously affected by so called harmless diseases that some say we don't need to be vaccinated against.  

Every time I've followed any of the trails of the anti-vax crowds they inventably lead back to the same discredited sources.

Nope, I don't have time to go through it all again.  And no, I don't want to see any more infants die needlessly from preventable disease, or see more infants and children suffer serious illness caused by same.

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Thats a shame because honestly I would love you or someone, anyone to tell me how the sources I have named have been discredited, I have never said we dont need to vaccinate, but what I am saying is you cannot force vaccination onto unwilling people.  It's just wrong.  It's not a miracle shield from all infectious diseases and because of the adjuvants,  attenuated viruses, formeldehyde killed animal viruses, animal or human dna present in all vaccines and the massive increase of the schedule, we currently have no way of knowing the long term effects this may have on some people.  

[polksaladallie]

There was an anti vaccination woman on Laws this morning, stridently (why are they always that?) arguing her case.  She must have said six times that vaccines are made using aborted foetuses, inserting "is that what people want, killing babies so that they can be vaccinated?"

Laws is not bright enough to pick her up on that ridiculous statement, well he wouldn't have been able to get a word in anyway.  Whether or not any product is made from foetus cells, stem cells, umbilical cells, etc., they would not have come from procured aborted foetuses.  There are plenty of natural abortions if they were needed, but they are not.

Vaccine Myth #13: Vaccinations are made from aborted babies

http://www.drwalt.com/blog/2008/07/09/vaccine-myth-13-vaccinations-are-made-from-aborted-babies/

[k0llectable5]

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

Why Dr Suzanne Humphries, an anti-vaccine activist, is lying to you about measles

Dr Suzanne Humphries, a nephrologist-turned-homeopath, is a prominent voice in the anti-vaccine movement. Her 2013 book “Dissolving Illustions” was recommended to me by a homeopath when I had a baby and was unsure about the vaccine debate. However, the more I examined Dr Humphries’ claims and consulted the original studies she cited throughout her book, the more disappointed I became. Her claims are often misleading and at times outright deceptive. This post outlines the types of questionable tactics she uses to support her claims by examining the measles chapter of her book.

https://medium.com/@visualvaccines/why-dr-suzanne-humphries-an-anti-vaccine-activist-is-lying-to-you...

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So Isabella B on some blog site is a credible source for debunking Dr Humphries. Hmmm. And yes I have actually read that article,and yes many people at present are referring to her as a quack, which is exactly what happens to any doctor that shares what they have learnt about vaccinations.  When someone has been a mainsteam physician for over a decade then converts to homeopathy, does that not raise a red flag to you? Her problem isn't just with vaccinations it's with healthcare as a whole.