on 12-04-2015 12:03 PM
From January 2016 parents who do not vaccinate their kids will lose up to $15 000 in allowances/concessions, except in cases of medical and some religious reasons.
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on 13-04-2015 03:45 PM
With a nursing background, my first child was vaccinated, no question about it, I gave it no thought................. just fronted up as per the schedule because that is how it was done.
He had a severe reaction to it and was in hospital for 3 days................ the paed then said he was not to have triple antigen under any circumstances so he was never vaccinated for whooping cough.
Child number 2................. same thing................ worse reaction... same result.
Child 3, fully vaccinated, then measles vaccination and was so ill, he was hospitalised. Doctors insist he must have been exposed to measles prior to the vaccination. However, that was not possible.......... we lived on an isolated property and the only time in that month that he/we saw anyone was that immunisation.
Child 4, no problem, fully vaccinated.
Last child............. sick from the first vaccination date, no more until she was 6yo, then fully vaccinated. She is the one who has had whooping cough.
on 13-04-2015 03:50 PM
@gleee58 wrote:
@secondhand-wonderland wrote:Thats a shame because honestly I would love you or someone, anyone to tell me how the sources I have named have been discredited, I have never said we dont need to vaccinate, but what I am saying is you cannot force vaccination onto unwilling people. It's just wrong. It's not a miracle shield from all infectious diseases and because of the adjuvants, attenuated viruses, formeldehyde killed animal viruses, animal or human dna present in all vaccines and the massive increase of the schedule, we currently have no way of knowing the long term effects this may have on some people.
There is an enormous amount of information available that discredits the claims of the anti-vaxers. Raed some of it. And while you're at it read some current information about the content of current vaccinations because you have a lot of wrong information.
When I had children I was wary of getting them vaccinated, however, all the available, reliable information suggested that there was more good than harm in the program and that the side effects of the disease were worse than the side effects of the vaccination. I had forgetten about the eyesight damage measles can cause and didn't know about the strokes caused by chicken pox or the brain damage caused by seemingly harmless diseases.
I have read hours upon hours of information from both sides (and some neutral as well) I got my info for the ingredients from the govt website...
on 13-04-2015 03:56 PM
@azureline** wrote:My "kid" didn't just get a slight fever, btw.
Then you should be grateful that the government is doing something to improve the herd, because if your kids cannot be vaccinated they are those who are in most danger
@azureline** wrote:
As for the doctors, I notice all of them are quite well off.
Yes, they are and most work hard and long hours with lot of stress. Flogging books full of dangerous misinformation is lot easier way of making money.
on 13-04-2015 04:51 PM
New Zealand has said no to this idea as it would be ok for the Rich not to have their children Vaccinated but the poor would be forced to.
on 13-04-2015 04:59 PM
@***super_nova*** wrote:
@azureline** wrote:My "kid" didn't just get a slight fever, btw.
Then you should be grateful that the government is doing something to improve the herd, because if your kids cannot be vaccinated they are those who are in most danger
@azureline** wrote:
As for the doctors, I notice all of them are quite well off.
Yes, they are and most work hard and long hours with lot of stress. Flogging books full of dangerous misinformation is lot easier way of making money.
My kids were well cared for, I removed them from school if there was any outbreak. I didn't send mine to school if they were sick either.
The Government is not fixing the problem by with holding FTB and CCB and ignoring the higher income bracket who choose not to vaccinate.
I made no mention of Dr's not working hard, long hours and stressed. I needed to see my Dr this afternoon but had an appointment for tomorrow, his receptionist fitted me in today with another Dr because mine was restricted to the number of patients medicare allows him each day. His quota was full.
on 13-04-2015 05:09 PM
@lionrose.7 wrote:New Zealand has said no to this idea as it would be ok for the Rich not to have their children Vaccinated but the poor would be forced to.
cannot say I am all that happy about the way it is done but unfortunately government has some hold over people who get these allowances. However, if that helps to elevate the number of kids that are vaccinated to the level needed, then it does not matter where they come from. I imagine the government done some research about what sort of people do not vaccinate, and if they are receiving the allowances or not. Apparently some areas are as low as 67%. That is very worrying.
13-04-2015 05:16 PM - edited 13-04-2015 05:18 PM
ACT has the highest rate of immunised children. 93.1%
Tasmania has the lowest. 83.6%
(across age groups to 60 months)
December 2014 figures. Not sure where the 67% fits.
Woops, QLD has the highest in the 12 to 15 months age group, 91.7%
on 13-04-2015 05:17 PM
@azureline** wrote:My kids were well cared for, I removed them from school if there was any outbreak. I didn't send mine to school if they were sick either.
Nobody is saying that your kids are not well cared for. All these diseases are contagious before any signs appear. So keeping them at home when you find out there is an outbreak is too late.
The problem is that if they manage to get through to adulthood without being exposed to these diseases they will be vulnerable to them for rest of their lives.
on 13-04-2015 05:19 PM
Further back, I stated, my youngest had whooping cough 3 times, her unvaccinated siblings did not get it.
on 13-04-2015 05:26 PM
My sisters kids weren't vaccinated until she left her ex, probably something to do with the controlling nature of his abuse. She wanted them vaccinated but he refused. I can absolutely guarantee those 4 kids would have been vaccinated right on schedule if this policy had been in place. No way he'd have missed out on any money he thought he was entitled to.