on 29-08-2014 10:47 AM
Russia sends ground troops and heavy weapons into the Ukraine to support separatist ground forces
Over 1500 girls sexually assaulted in Rotherham (a small English community of about 200,000) by a ring of mostly Pakistani men, with reports being delayed or not followed up because of fears of being labelled racist.
A young Asian girl racially vilified by an aboriginal male on a Perth train.
An Asian proprietor of a Sydney Café refuses to hire a man because he didn’t believe his customers would want to be served by a “black man”.
Another group of Syrian prisoner’s or war summarily publically executed by Islamic extremists
43 Fijian UN Peace Keepers captured and held hostage by Islamic Extremists on the Syrian-Israeli border.
on 30-08-2014 03:08 PM
The case of the man refused a job because he was black was widely shared and discussed on Facebook .And interviews with him were shown on the National News. I haven't seen any reference anywhere to the Aboriginal woman who abused the Asian woman. Was it videoed? If not, and/or if ithe people involved were never able to be tracked down for comment, thate coiuldn explain the apparant lack of interest.
on 30-08-2014 03:51 PM
It was an Asian woman being racially abused by a aboiginal man. Nine NSN has the vidio.
on 30-08-2014 03:54 PM
As I understand it, the current troubles started because the Ukraine decided to cut their ties with Russia and look towards the west, and I agree entirely that this was a decision for the Ukrainian people to make; and the fact that the country may have, in the past, been traditionally allied with, or previously a part of a Russian led block, is irrelevant, in the same way though our national origins may be British, that doesn’t bind us to follow Britain’s lead.
As for using ethnic minorities to facilitate territorial claims, all Putin is doing, is following in the best of European traditions, namely using minorities to facilitate territorial claims, with the most recent notable examples being Hitler’s invasion of Czechoslovakia and Poland, both of which were justified (or so Hitler said) on the basis of the persecution of German minorities in both country.
In fact, World War 2 is the best example I can think of if one want to gauge the long term intentions of the Ukraine people. When the Germans invaded they, the Ukrainians, hunted down and handed over every Soviet communist party member they could lay their hands on. In fact, the hatred for the Soviets was so palpable, that in the early years of the war, they voluntarily contributed more men to fight on the Axis side than all other countries combined, with the exception Italy and possibly Finland. Then of course Hilter stuffed it all up treating the Ukrainians as just another subjugated peoples’.
on 30-08-2014 03:59 PM
30-08-2014 04:22 PM - edited 30-08-2014 04:23 PM
And your point is?
Are you say, as they have a fascist tradition, it is ok for Putin to press his territorial claims.
on 30-08-2014 04:26 PM
30-08-2014 05:08 PM - edited 30-08-2014 05:10 PM
Historically, since Peter the Great built the first Russian ocean going fleet, what is it the Russian’s have wanted the most: A warm water harbour. North is no good, so south it must be: the Black Sea.
Now to get, it they have fought more than one war, starting with the Crimean War. In fact we sent troops to Gallipoli for that very same purpose.
Then the Soviet Union breaks up and the Crimea fall into the Ukraine, but the Ukraine is aligned with the new Russia order and the Ukrainians say Russians can keep their Black Sea Ports’. Therefore the fact that the bulk of Ukrainians may be raving xenophobic fascist nationalist isn’t a problem when it comes to ethnic Russians minorities in the area.
Then the Ukraine shift focus toward west. Now the status of the ethnic Russian minorities becomes an issue because they are being oppressed by the raving xenophobic fascist Ukrainian nationalist.
Outcome a few Russian tanks and troops deployed to support the oppressed minority and then Crimea once again becomes part of the new Russia and the Russians once again have their warm water port.
Like I said in the best traditions of European history. Only the names change, Sometimes
on 30-08-2014 05:13 PM
on 30-08-2014 05:19 PM
We don't want to fight but by Jingo if we do,
We've got the ships, we've got the men, we've got the money too,
We've fought the Bear before, and while we're Britons true,
The Russians shall not have Constantinople.
English Music Hall Song circa 1878
on 30-08-2014 05:22 PM
@katydidthat wrote:
I don't really think that Putin is pressing territorial claims ... there is actually very little independent proof of that.
Of-course he is! If he did not arm and send troops to support the rebels, the uprising would have ended ages ago.
Yes TB, it is very similar to the situation in Bohemia and Poland pre WW2. The problem is that boundaries on continent were never drawn strictly by ethnicity of people. When boundaries were redrawn after WW1, Germans living in Bohemia would have definitely be not liked too much by the locals. Just as it took a long time for Australians to come in term with people from Japan..