Risk taking

martinw-48
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I'm not a gambler.
I don't buy Lotto tickets.
Cham recently said that those who own their home could take out a line of credit to capatilise on the current market.
As someone who has failed at everything they've attempted except for achieving home ownership I feel it would be stupid to risk my one success to achieve something that doesn't drive me anyway, gaining money.
More money would be great but I have more money now I'm not paying for the roof over my head.
My girlfriend spends $100 a fortnight on Lotto.
I know she's had two big wins totalling fifteen thousand but in the ten years I've known her that's cost twenty six thousand.
In my mind I'm eleven thousand in front
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I am my Father's daughter if you can't pay cash for what you need/want you

 

go without until you can pay cash for it. We own our place bought it for a good

 

price now we are currently updating by using $$ we earn't in interest on our

 

investments. There is no way we would compromise our security or take risks

 

with our home.

 

 

 

 

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@martinw-48 wrote:
I'm not a gambler.
I don't buy Lotto tickets.
Cham recently said that those who own their home could take out a line of credit to capatilise on the current market.
As someone who has failed at everything they've attempted except for achieving home ownership I feel it would be stupid to risk my one success to achieve something that doesn't drive me anyway, gaining money.
More money would be great but I have more money now I'm not paying for the roof over my head.
My girlfriend spends $100 a fortnight on Lotto.
I know she's had two big wins totalling fifteen thousand but in the ten years I've known her that's cost twenty six thousand.
In my mind I'm eleven thousand in front

A bit of context....The comments where made on another discussion dealing with the fallout of the corona virus. Another poster ( rogespeed from memory ) made a couple of very pertinent posts stating that there is money to be made from chaos and also the suggestion to fish for shellfish on a falling tide and swimming fish on a rising tide. In other words investors simply need to tailor their investment strategy to the environment they are in. All great advice. I made a further post agreeing with rogespeed and noting that fortune favoured the brave. 

 

Martin responded that those with money make money, a post I partially agreed with, but noted that those who owned their own home had money tied up that they could invest if they where brave enough.

 

What I didn't mention ( I always get accused of bragging if I share real life experiences ) is this is exactly the strategy we used in the last financial crisis with a lot of success. We where uncomfortable with the global economic situation and before the crisis hit we sold all of our investment properties and paid out all of our loans. We then drew a $100,000 line of credit mortgaged against our home to be used for investment if a crisis hit.   

 

The crisis did hit and for six months through the depths of the crisis we traded shares using a technique I had worked out that was specific to the panic of the crisis. We made $83,000 from the share trading before the anomaly in the market we where trading disappeared. 

 

At that time a neighbour to our hills farm near Adelaide got into financial trouble with his trucking business. The banks where on the verge of foreclosing on him and he visited us and asked us if we would purchase an adjoining 40 acres of land at a large discount to normal value. By then the banks had basically shut up shop and where not lending money to anyone. We offered him the $83,000 profits from share trading which he accepted. ( we paid over $5000 per acre for our original property ) This was enough to save his home and business which he still owns today. Win / Win.

 

So all up we made around $200,000 profit in six months from trading through the financial crisis, funded by a line of credit on our house. Was it stressful, you bet, but it did help to secure our families financial position for a very long time. . Would I do it again. If I was ten years younger I wouldn't hesitate.

 

But at my age .... a definite NO...In my current position I am already planning for my retirement which is probably only 5 years away. If and when the next crisis hits I suspect it could be much deeper and longer lasting than the last financial crisis. Global debt is higher and sovereign banks do not have the financial ammunition to keep things afloat that they had 12 years ago. ( no room to reduce interest rates ) . The only option is quantative easing ( printing money ) which builds inflation into the system only to emerge years down the track.

 

My strategy next time round will be to conserve wealth as much as possible, keep working if necessary and just try to get through in one piece with assets ( land ) that will stand the test of time when rampant inflation ( from global quantative easing ) finally emerges in ten or twenty years time..

 

Finally though " dont try this at home kiddies ". If someone has not taken the time over many years to educate themselves on the workings of the share market and financial markets in general it would be catastrophic to " give it a go " in the depths of a financial crisis. It requires A LOT of research and previous trading experience in a more stable financial environment.

 

Undoubtedly though, fortune does favour the brave.

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I think you're right.

Undoubtedly though, fortune does favour the brave.

 

In the first post I made in this thread, I mentioned a friend with several investment properties.

She told me once they started down this path in the late 1980s, I think it was.

She & her husband had 2 young children, virtually no money and she was struggling to make ends meet, trying to think of a way to get out from udner. Then she drove past a place that was going up for auction, it looked run down and in need of a lot of work.

She went to the bank to enquire about a loan and did get one. That info surprised me but all i can think of is maybe they had some equity in their home.

Anyway, they got the loan, the auction was on a wet day, practically no one turned up and she got the hosue very cheaply. They renovated themselves and re-sold it & they were on their way.

 

So they have done alright with it, but there have been quite a few headaches. The main one to my mind is most homes are interstate so hard to monitor/fix as needed.  Tenants & estate agents give her grief and she is currently upset about a home in Qld that they bought about a decade ago for $300k and the market has actually gone down, it is only valued at $320k max now.

 

So.. what i have taken from that is investments don't always work out. Business ventures don't either. The brave can still come a cropper.

To that extent, Martin's comment about it takes money to make money has some truth, in that I think it is easier to be brave if you have a buffer zone of money.

My friend (to me) was putting herself out on a limb when she bought her first investment property. Would I have been that brave? Probably not, to be honest. I am very cautious.

 

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Re Lotto. Someone a bit earlier said something about Lotto only paying back 50%. I would say most people who buy Lotto tickets don't ever get 50% back. They get quite a bit less. The bigger winners are pushing up the averages.

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The aussie dream is to own your house outright, isn't it? (apart from unity)

 

I've acheived that long ago, what more do i need?


Signatures suck.
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When I recall the many high flyers who have had the big McMansions and

 

seemingly profitable businesses lose the lot it makes me wonder.

 

How much do we need to be happy and comfortable?

 

Is it a matter of the more we have the greedier we become?

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Something to keep in mind as we strive to accumulate wealth

 

"shrouds don't have pockets"

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@freddie*rooster wrote:

When I recall the many high flyers who have had the big McMansions and

 

seemingly profitable businesses lose the lot it makes me wonder.

 

How much do we need to be happy and comfortable?

 

Is it a matter of the more we have the greedier we become?


It makes me wonder, too.

I have read several times of people who were in the public eye, money rolling in for a number of years, then you read that now their superstar status has waned, they are broke. Sometimes homeless.

 

It makes you think-why didn't they use some of their wealth in the good times to just buy an ordinary home, cash.

 

Recently, we have been having our kitchen renovated. It's a long saga but basically it started on 5 Jan, struck some hold ups and stalled and we have only just got water & cooktop on. Still no electricity for fridge yet. So basically, camping out in the family room.

What i have discovered is we can get by perfectly well with minimal plates & cups, a kettle, a microwave & a pressure cooker.

All the rest of my kitchen 'stuff' is in bags and quite frankly I am thinking of getting rid of half of it, I haven't missed it.

 

Honestly, you don't need much to be comfortable and happy. Much less than you think. That goes for appliances, clothes, homes. You need enough, but not as much as the ads might try to tell you you need.Smiley Happy

 

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I agree springy.

 

I shudder when I hear these financial guru's telling 

 

us how much we will need saved for our retirement. 

 

The figures they come up with, you would be cruising

 

the world on a yearly basis to need the assets they

 

talk about. Those who have good Super saved should

 

be well and truely comfortable in their retirement if they

 

spend wisely. 

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@freddie*rooster wrote:

When I recall the many high flyers who have had the big McMansions and

 

seemingly profitable businesses lose the lot it makes me wonder.

 

How much do we need to be happy and comfortable?

 

Is it a matter of the more we have the greedier we become?


I suspect the answer to that is different for everybody. 

 

In my case I have experienced extreme poverty for extended periods of time. Being self employed there is not the safety net of social security that most immediately think is universal and anyone can rely on. During periods of drought or crashing commodity prices ( Wool collapse of the 1980,s ) I have been unable to meet even the most basic financial commitments and have genuinely struggled to put food on the table. This has got to the point where I received a letter from the bank advising me to voluntarily sell up before they foreclosed. Its not much fun.

 

So for me enough is when I own a modest house in a great location overlooking a small river with birds and possums in the garden. Having enough money to meet the usual bills without stressing and to assist the kids to make a start in life. Hopefully also enough to live a modest but comfortable retirement and meet the future medical bills. I,m not quite there yet, but are on track to achieve this by retirement age.

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agreed, i have my little house, my rosie and now leroy

i'm very content

i have no wish to sell or borrow money to 'get a better place'

 

this will be my 'collateral' for moving into full time care if i get to that.

 

oh, and being able to get that document out with my name on it saying 'i own this house/land'

sweet

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