Russia - such a disgrace !

[kopenhagen5]

I don't know about anyone else. but I nor our business, is any longer buying anything remotely Russian.

This is not so much choosing to take a side, but merely not wanting to be seen as condoning recent events.

'Hands off Ukraine!' Russian protesters, celebrities risk arrest to denounce Putin's war (yahoo.com)

[k1ooo-slr-sales]

@4channel

just apologise.

OR, are you like John Howard, who I know you despise, who also couldn’t say the word SORRY?

Be a man!  You made a mistake, own it!

AN APOLOGY IS IN ORDER

[not_for_sale2025]

It is very clear that you are anti the US. You justify Russia's invasion and view the US as the real villain. But this thread is about Russia and the barbarities occurring in Ukraine. Start your own thread on US - such a disgrace, rather than use this thread as a platform to pursue your personal agenda. 

[countessalmirena]

4channel, I addressed that possible interpretation of your post with the part of my post mentioning "legal or moral responsibility". You did not know me in 2003 even to the limited extent that you know me now.* You should not assume that I had no "voice". You don't know if I provided assistance to refugees from that war, provided humanitarian funding, etc., and you certainly have no grounds for implying that I have a definition of humanity that differentiates on grounds of skin colour or religion.

There are no parallels between this Russian invasion of Ukraine and the US invasion of Iraq, other than that they are/were both invasions. Any student of the history of war can tell you that every invasion claims justification; trying to draw a significant and unique parallel between these two invasions on the basis of "so-called justifications" is not tenable.

Again, I repeat that this thread has a very clear topic and purpose. Let's not let it derail.

Here are some links for official donations to Ukraine:

https://www.redcross.org.au/ukraine/

https://www.unicef.org.au/landing-pages/ukraine-emergency-appeal

https://emergencyaction.org.au/ukraineemergencyappeal

https://www.worldvision.com.au/global-issues/world-emergencies/ukraine-appeal

https://razomforukraine.org/

https://www.caritas.org/ukraine-appeal-22/

... and to the best of my knowledge, this page lists legitimate organisations for donating: https://www.defendukraine.org/donate

* And... you know me so little that you appear to think (insofar as I can gauge based upon some of your past posts) that I am a composite or that I have other IDs or that I have some sort of weird hidden agenda. I'm an extremely straightforward person with no hidden agenda; I have no other IDs on the boards here; I'm one person and no one uses my eBay username other than I.

[4channel]

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@not_for_sale2025 wrote:

It is very clear that you are anti the US. You justify Russia's invasion and view the US as the real villain. But this thread is about Russia and the barbarities occurring in Ukraine. Start your own thread on US - such a disgrace, rather than use this thread as a platform to pursue your personal agenda. 

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Not at all and please desist from twisting things around. I am not anti-US at all. I  do however believe that most of the US presidents have served corporate interests before those of their own people. I believe Putin like the US presidents is a puppet for a group of wealthy individuals. He's just doing what the US has done. He thinks he's found an excuse that he can use to invade another country.  Unlike the US's excuse with non-existent WOMD, he has cited a legitimate concern which is the rise of Nazism in Ukraine. Of course we know that this concern, while a real concern is not the real reason why the Russian army has invaded Ukraine. He is not being honest.  It's about empire expansion and strategic placement. I condemn what he has done just as I did with the invasion of Iraq.

What concerns me is that with the US and the people who made decisions on military strategy, their gung-ho approach could drag Australia into this with dire consequences. I'm for a greater understanding of this situation, or rather addressing it in a broader perspective. I don't believe the current government or the supposed Labor alternative is equipped morally and mentally to deal with this situation. I believe that if Kevin Rudd was PM now, we would have a much better chance of addressing this situation, and not antagonize our neighbors like Scomo etc. would do. And Kevin Rudd was a visionary of sorts, he was about building a relationship with a super power that would see us in a much better position than we may potentially be in.

[4channel]

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@not_for_sale2025 wrote:

It is very clear that you are anti the US. You justify Russia's invasion and view the US as the real villain. But this thread is about Russia and the barbarities occurring in Ukraine. Start your own thread on US - such a disgrace, rather than use this thread as a platform to pursue your personal agenda. 

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And yes it is a disgrace what Putin has done and he should be locked up for what he has done. But you have tp admit though than the media when the victims are are skinned people or Muslim doesn't show the human side of the suffering. They are with this issue now.

As someone who is of the Christian faith, I don't look at any people being more worthy than the other due to colour or religion. We're all one!

OK, so looking at what the Russian agenda is or rather the agenda of those who pull Putin's strings, regardless of what it is, we need to be level headed. Already the issue of oil has come into it. That may not play a big part in it, or it may.

[4channel]

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@not_for_sale2025 wrote:

Did anybody see Trump responding to questions about the Ukraine invasion? He said Putin was, "smart, savvy and a genius". He also said NATO is dumb and Biden caused the invasion.

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Trump is about polarizing the people. He has many hidden agendas.

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@not_for_sale2025 wrote:

 I wonder what would be happening now if he was still the US President.

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If Trump were still president, we would be in a whole lot of mess. He's a dangerous man.    As much as a dislike Obama for being "Yes we can" but do not much of anything change-wise, he would be better equipped to front the US in this situation. Biden looks like he's almost asleep half of the time.

[k1ooo-slr-sales]

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@4channel wrote:

I believe that if Kevin Rudd was PM . . . . . . And Kevin Rudd was a visionary of sorts  . . . . . . 

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AND, Kevin Rudd knew how to say sorry

[4channel]

Correction to the below

@not_for_sale2022 wrote:

It is very clear that you are anti the US. You justify Russia's invasion and view the US as the real villain. But this thread is about Russia and the barbarities occurring in Ukraine. Start your own thread on US - such a disgrace, rather than use this thread as a platform to pursue your personal agenda. 

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And yes it is a disgrace what Putin has done and he should be locked up for what he has done. But you have to admit though than the when the victims are are darker skinned people or Muslim etc., the media doesn't show the human side of the suffering. They are showing the human sufferiing with this issue now.

As someone who is of the Christian faith, I don't look at any people being more worthy than the other due to colour or religion. We're all one!

OK, so looking at what the Russian agenda is or rather the agenda of those who pull Putin's strings, regardless of what it is, we need to be level headed. Already the issue of oil has come into it. That may not play a big part in it, or it may. We'll see what happens.

[repentatleisure1952]

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 But you have to admit though than the when the victims are are darker skinned people or Muslim etc., the media doesn't show the human side of the suffering. 

That's totally incorrect & you know it.

As someone who is of the Christian faith, I don't look at any people being more worthy than the other due to colour or religion. We're all on

Then you should have no trouble apologising to  countessa.

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[4channel]

But you have to admit though than the when the victims are are darker skinned people or Muslim etc., the media doesn't show the human side of the suffering. 

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As someone who is of the Christian faith, I don't look at any people being more worthy than the other due to colour or religion.

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Ah actually it is a fact. How the media demonizes people more if they are non-Caucasian or Arabs due to their Muslim faith is a well-known fact! I don't want to get into it more here as it's a great topic for a new thread,.

With this terrible act that has taken place with Russian troops invading another country, causing chaos and suffering, we see a very sympathetic media. Quite rightly so too that the victims are shown in this terrible time for Ukranians due to an unjust, unwarranted invasion. Unfortunately, the disparity of portrayal in media now and how it was twenty years ago with Iraq is enormous.  That's the point I was making. We can discuss this on another thread.

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@repentatleisure1952 wrote:

Then you should have no trouble apologising to countessa.

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Please see the below

https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Turnbull-Rudd-warn-against-Murdoch-media-Hey-they-...