Senate inquiry into Halal certification.

Brilliant.

Whether people support halal certification or not, there are lots of people with lots of concerns so its time to investigate it all.

 

http://www.3aw.com.au/news/bernardis-inquiry-into-food-certification-schemes-20150514-gh1c32.html

 

Here are the reasons i am against halal certification and the questions i want answered.
1. Why are the fees paid by businesses for halal certification kept secret? Why do the businesss have to sign non disclosure agreements?


2. Why are there 20+ privately run halal certification companies in Australia, all charging whatever amounts they want, when Indonesia only has 1 Government run halal certifier? If foods need to be halal certified, then let the Government run it and let the money go back into the whole Australian community.


3. For meat to be halal, the animal needs to be slaughtered a certain way, throat slit while animal is conscious by a Muslim. Yes, there are some abattoirs that use a reverse stun but, from what i have researched, there are at least 15 abattoirs in Australia that slaughter animals using no stun. It is barbaric. This video is very graphic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAQJ-FZo1cA


4. Australia is a predominantly Christian country, so why are we being forced to eat meat that has been prayed over to a "god" that we dont even recognise?


5. If halal certification is supposed to help Muslims recognise what they can and cant eat, then why do so many companies that pay for the certification stamp choose not to display it on their products?


6. Why are abattoirs paying a certification fee and then packing all the meat in one truck and delivering it to butchers and supermarkets who then put it all in the one fridge and display it all in the one display fridge. Once pork products are shelved, stored or transported with other meats, the other meats immediately become non halal anyway. So Aussie Muslims cant eat it anyway.


7. We are told halal certification monies goes towards to building of more mosques and Islamic schools. We know that there are quite a few mosques where the hatred of Australia is preached. As for Islamic schools, the same schools where a principal has said that girls are forbidden to run in races because it will cause them to lose their virginity. Do we need schools like that here?


8. In Canada halal certification money was found to be used to fund organisations linked to extremist organisations. I have no doubt that would be happening here as well.


9. Halal is a part of sharia law and we DO NOT want any part of Sharia law in Australia.

 

So, what would i like to see? Id like halal certification to be a Government run organisation. Id like every business who pays for halal certification to have to display the stamp on their products. I want all Australian abattoirs to stun before killing. That would be a nice start

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Oh, twilight zone here again?

What happened to the lovely linger and die?

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@bushies.girl wrote:

Not for profit is is NOT a business, it's an organisation  .... Can NOT make a profit


Australian Tax Office info

Non-profit clause

'The assets and income of the organisation shall be applied solely in furtherance of its above-mentioned objects and no portion shall be distributed directly or indirectly to the members of the organisation except as bona fide compensation for services rendered or expenses incurred on behalf of the organisation.'

Dissolution clause

'In the event of the organisation being dissolved, the amount that remains after such dissolution and the satisfaction of all debts and liabilities shall be transferred to another organisation with similar purposes which is not carried on for the profit or gain of its individual members.'

A non-profit organisation can still make a profit, but this profit must be used to carry out its purposes and must not be distributed to owners, members or other private people.

 

No need to argue at all....... very clear... unless you are intimating that the ATO is wrong?

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@azureline** wrote:

Oh, twilight zone here again?

What happened to the lovely linger and die?


The mother ship has left and cut off the support.

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@azureline** wrote:

Oh, twilight zone here again?

What happened to the lovely linger and die?


She lingered . . . . .  ?

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@azureline** wrote:

Oh, twilight zone here again?

What happened to the lovely linger and die?


She lingered . . . . .  ?


well, it's odd, some posts removed.... mine included but I posted nothing reportable, unless I quoted that poster.......

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So a report has come out saying Asustralians need to be careful which charaties they give to as some of the funds will end up in the hands of terrorists.

 

Yet people still think that halal certification fund wont?

 

Halal certification is worth billions of dollars. Muslims, who can afford to, must pay zakat (2.5% of their income. And who gets this zakat money?

 

  • Those living without means of livelihood , the poor
  • Those who cannot meet their basic needs , the needy
  • To zakat collectors 
  • To persuade those sympathetic to or expected to convert to Islam , recent converts to Islam and potential allies in the cause of Islam
  • To free from slavery or servitude , slaves of Muslims who have or intend to free from their master by means of a kitabah contract
  • Those who have incurred overwhelming debts while attempting to satisfy their basic needs , debtors who in pursuit of a worthy goal incurred a debt
  • Those fighting for a religious cause or a cause of God or for Jihad in the way of Allah and for Islamic warriors who fight against the unbelievers but are not part of salaried soldiers.
  • Wayfarers, stranded travellers  travellers who are traveling on an Islamic goal but cannot reach their destination without financial assistance

Non Muslims can get it, but only after the needs of the Muslims have been met.

After funding the poor muslims, the Islamic schools, the mosques, the "fighters" etc, i would doubt much is being given to non muslims, if any

 

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After funding the poor muslims, the Islamic schools, the mosques, the "fighters" etc, i would doubt much is being given to non muslims, if any

 

But why would any self respecting  Christian accept it anyway? How could they be sure some sneaky Muslim hadn't prayed over it before dispatching it?

 

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

After funding the poor muslims, the Islamic schools, the mosques, the "fighters" etc, i would doubt much is being given to non muslims, if any

 

But why would any self respecting  Christian accept it anyway? How could they be sure some sneaky Muslim hadn't prayed over it before dispatching it?

 


self respecting christian?

 

are you suggesting christians who accept

money from muslims have no self respect?

 

 

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People need to educate themselves on where, and to whom, they give their money and be vigilant that it will be used for the right purpose.

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  • Money donated by Australians to charities could be funding extremism
  • An investigation by AUSTRAC revealed funds may end up in wrong hands 
  • Government agencies warn people to be careful with their donations
  • Charities Commission urges people to donate to registered organisations



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