Should other countries intervene in Iraq?

[nero_bolt]

Should other countries intervene in Iraq? and the other countries inclues Australia 

Its turning into a real mess and blood bath... over run by extremist and terrorists 

Iraq: 'extreme, brutal' Isis fuels humanitarian crisis

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/15/iraq-extreme-brutal-isis-fuels-humanitarian-crisis-says...

Twitter forced to act after Iraq executions live tweeted

The Sydney Morning Herald reports graphic images of the executions of Iraqi soldiers were live tweeted by members of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant as they happened late last week.

The photos showed scores of soldiers rounded up into trucks before being forced face-down in the dirt with their hands tied behind their backs before being executed by automatic weapons.

On early Saturday ISIL tweeted it had executed 1700 Shiite soldiers, but the figure has not been confirmed by human rights groups.

Read more at http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/06/15/13/38/twitter-forced-to-act-after-iraq-executions-live-t...

Read more at http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/06/15/13/38/twitter-forced-to-act-after-iraq-executions-live-t...

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/06/15/04/25/iran-offers-help-if-us-targets-iraq-rebels

[pablo12_2007]

Oh we will take in thousands - how could we not considering the scale of the event s in the mid east - but none that we will ever see. They wil all be packed off quick smart to keep the "nil all" score clean. Sad Very sad. 

[boris1gary]

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@pablo12_2007 wrote:

Oh we will take in thousands - how could we not considering the scale of the event s in the mid east - but none that we will ever see. They wil all be packed off quick smart to keep the "nil all" score clean. Sad Very sad. 

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It is sad and it alarms me that for such a small population our govt feels it necessary to spend so much on "defence"......

Australia is now the seventh-largest importer of major arms in the world and the biggest customer of the largest weapons producer, the US.

Australia buys 10 per cent of all American weapons exports.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-buys-up-enters-asian-arms-race-20140...

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@pablo12_2007 wrote:

I actualy wasnt speaking directly to you, rather making the pont that we are just as implicated in the events that are now unfolding and for which people are being slaughters like pigs and should taken care in how we promote "our views". 

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As I said in another thread, what is currently unfolding in Iraq was virtually inevitable from the moment the "coalition of the willing" set foot in the country. I actually predicted it myself at a public event on the day that occurred. 

I suspect however, that the problems really go back a lot further than that, and they are never going to be solved by military force. However noble your intentions, you cannot impose democracy, religion or any form of ideology at the point of a sword (or barrel of a gun) a quick glance through a history book will tell you that.

[pablo12_2007]

Indeed.  Hind sight tells us that we should have contained Afganastan, and there where many fighters already there doing exactly the same thing in trying to reclaim their country. Assistance, like when the russians where there would have been a good start but no we also had to try out this "shock and awe" nosense. 

The other thing we must be careful about is the numbers of Australains that could end up going back to fight in what they cultuarlly understand and believe is still a good fight. That would have devistating consequences for our mixed communities.   

Its a mess, and its not entirely of our own making but we are implicated in its very begining none the less, and therefore morally must achknowledge and some of the blame. How we proceed from here on is going to be very detrementl to our future standing in the region  and globally. 

[pablo12_2007]

We are arming in a way that so different thats for sure. Lets just hope that we dont end up like Greece in a position that they shake the economy at its core. 

[the_great_she_elephant]

The Russians weren't the first ones to try to 'contain' Afghanistan. NOBODY seems to have learnt from the mistakes of history there.

Afghanistan profile
A chronology of key events:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-south-asia-12024253

[pablo12_2007]

Its was never about containing the Muhjadeen - they were not the probem, it was the rise of a fundemenatalist islam carried over from the war against Iran that began these lastest troubles. The local Afgans, and especially the tribal groups had shown they were cabpable of fighting an invading superpower  when they go rid of Russia. Given time they could of done the same with all these insurgents.  What we have done is radicalized even those who might have been able to put some sort of brake on their spread. But no, Bush needed to have a show piece to say that the US was still powerful. 

On an aside. Tom Cruise new film i think sort of ses out to make a metophorical point about terrorism but switches in the end to some glib point about the danger being at the centre of Paris - in the Loue , for gad sake. THese imperialist just dont give up with their missguided sense of "agrieved entitlement". If only we could destroy the world seem to be their motto. We need peace and we neeed to walk across the rice-paper like a shoulin warrior , very carefully and without leaving any tracks.

Coffee time. Best  

[boris1gary]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

The Russians weren't the first ones to try to 'contain' Afghanistan. NOBODY seems to have learnt from the mistakes of history there.

Afghanistan profile
A chronology of key events:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-south-asia-12024253

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The Soviet Union were invited into Afghanistan by their PM Hafizullah Amin, hardly an invasion. 

 What still remains a murder of history, is the fact that the '79 war was surprisingly initiated by the US government through an initial secret aid fund signed by Jimmy Carter on July 3, 1979. This fact was accepted by Zbigniew Brzezinski, the then US National Security Advisor, in an interview saying,"We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would (by funding the anti-Soviet forces). The day the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter: We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam War... "  

[the_great_she_elephant]

The Soviet Union were invited into Afghanistan by their PM Hafizullah Amin, hardly an invasion. 

The United States was invited into Vietnam - the end result was much the same.

[icyfroth]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:

The West has already intervened in the Middle East and largely contributed to the insurgence there by financing weapons and training to rebel forces.

What wer'e seeing is the result that Obama needs as an excuse to go in with the big guns and control the region under "humanitarian grounds".

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Obama was the one who pulled the troops out - what on earth makes you think he wants to go back in again. I suspect  you'll find the people urging a reinvasion are the gung ho 'patriots'  who didn't want the US to pull out in the first place.

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"Obama says he is sending up to 275 troops to Iraq as discussions take place with Iran on best way to halt Islamist insurgents"

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/16/us-iran-talks-iraq-john-kerry?CMP=ema_632

This kind of headline makes me think he wants to go in again. I don't think he ever wanted to pull out but had make a token attempt to appease the US public.