Should other countries intervene in Iraq?

nero_bolt
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Should other countries intervene in Iraq? and the other countries inclues Australia 

 

Its turning into a real mess and blood bath... over run by extremist and terrorists 

 

 

Iraq: 'extreme, brutal' Isis fuels humanitarian crisis

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/15/iraq-extreme-brutal-isis-fuels-humanitarian-crisis-says...

 

 

Twitter forced to act after Iraq executions live tweeted
 

The Sydney Morning Herald reports graphic images of the executions of Iraqi soldiers were live tweeted by members of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant as they happened late last week.

 

The photos showed scores of soldiers rounded up into trucks before being forced face-down in the dirt with their hands tied behind their backs before being executed by automatic weapons.

 

On early Saturday ISIL tweeted it had executed 1700 Shiite soldiers, but the figure has not been confirmed by human rights groups.


Read more at http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/06/15/13/38/twitter-forced-to-act-after-iraq-executions-live-t...

Read more at http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/06/15/13/38/twitter-forced-to-act-after-iraq-executions-live-t...
 
 
 
 
 

 

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Should other countries intervene in Iraq?

Does Iraq want us or other countries to intervene? 

 

 

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@tall_bearded01 wrote:

Let me introduce you to the people we are discussing here.

 

These are people who believe you have no rights when it comes to matters of religion.  That is they require that you believe what they believe in the manner they prescribe, and any failure or refusal to do so, if you’re lucky, will get you a bullet to the back of the head and if not (lucky that is) slow decapitation with a blunt knife.

 

These are people who believe women are a commodity which can be bought or sold with their only value to society being their ability to bear children and cook and clean house. Therefore education is wasted on then (women that is) and those women who object, well, another bullet to the back of the head or worse.

 

These are people whose chosen half time entertainment at sporting events is the stoning to death of women who are suspected of committing adultery, and there only needs to be a suspicion – usually created by a husband who wants to get rid of an unwanted wife.

 

So do you say we should go in and sort them out – you bet we should?


What makes you think that going back into Iraq and beating s**t out of the insurgents would "sort them out?" The only way to do that would be to systematically execute every single one of them' and even that wouldn't work, because once we left , others would move in from neighbouring countries to whip up the remaining population and start the whole thing all over again.

 

And once we've finished purging Iraq, should we then move on to cleanse, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and every other country that doesn't enforce our set of values? 

 

Fundamentalist Islam is an abomination, but until the majority of people living under its rule decide they've had enough of it, there is very little we can do to eradicate it.

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@icyfroth wrote:

The West has already intervened in the Middle East and largely contributed to the insurgence there by financing weapons and training to rebel forces.

What wer'e seeing is the result that Obama needs as an excuse to go in with the big guns and control the region under "humanitarian grounds".


Obama was the one who pulled the troops out - what on earth makes you think he wants to go back in again. I suspect  you'll find the people urging a reinvasion are the gung ho 'patriots'  who didn't want the US to pull out in the first place.

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So what is your solution?

 

Turn the same blind eye that we did while Pol Pot murdered millions of his countrymen.  Turn the same blind eye that we did when Idi Amin did the same in Uganda.  Turn the same bind eye that we did to the ethnic cleansing in Rwanda. Turn the same blind eye that we did when the Indonesians killed off nearly a quarter of the East Timorese population, as we still turn a blind eye to the fact that one of the persons guilty of these crimes is a candidate for President of Indonesia. Turn the same blind eye as we did…

 

I mean isn’t that a lot easier and safer than saying enough is enough.  In any event, if we take the safe option,  we can always salve our conscience by giving asylum to those lucky few who get out, with barely a backward glance to what is happen to those who are forced to remind behind.

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Yes he did all of those things and a lot more, but then so did Hitler to post WW1 Germany.

 

Now please remind me how that one turned out.

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I guess you missed the post where I said only if the Goverment of Iraq request our assistance.

 

 

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So, how exactly does your solution work? We go in, we defeat the insurgents, then what? Do we leave again? Do we stay for another 10years, 20 years, 50 years? At what point will we be confident that Islamic fundametalism has been eradicate from the country and the two sects-  Shiite and Sunni - are ready to live together in perfect harmony happily ever after?

The British tried to 'civilise' Afghanistan in the 19th Century and failed; the Russians tried to 'communise' them in the 20th Century and failed; the Americans tried to "Democratise" them in the 21st Century and although the regime they set up is hanging on by the skin of it's teeth it is only going to be a matter of time beforeit collapses and the Taliban are back in control again.

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@tall_bearded01 wrote:

Yes he did all of those things and a lot more, but then so did Hitler to post WW1 Germany.

 

Now please remind me how that one turned out.


You are so right - we declared war on Hitler to save  Poland - and then handed that country  - together with much of Eastern Europe - over to Stalin once the war was over. I'm sure the Poles felt very liberated. 

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

@icyfroth wrote:

The West has already intervened in the Middle East and largely contributed to the insurgence there by financing weapons and training to rebel forces.

What wer'e seeing is the result that Obama needs as an excuse to go in with the big guns and control the region under "humanitarian grounds".


Obama was the one who pulled the troops out - what on earth makes you think he wants to go back in again. I suspect  you'll find the people urging a reinvasion are the gung ho 'patriots'  who didn't want the US to pull out in the first place.


The US will never tolerate anything other than a West-friendly government in any of to the oil-rich countries. And he's already declared himself prepared to intervene if that's what it takes.

 

"The USS George H.W. Bush arrived in the Persian Gulf as President Barack Obama considers possible military options, although he has ruled out putting American troops on the ground in Iraq.

 

Pentagon spokesman Rear Adm. John Kirby has said the move will give Obama additional flexibility if military action were required to protect American citizens and interests in Iraq."

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How does my solution work?  Take a long look at Afghanistan.  Yes still has its problems and they are major ones which means they have a long way to go.  However it is now a far better place than it was when the Taliban were in control.

 

So is that not a far better outcome than yours which appears to be to simply stand back and watch as the  ethnic and sectarian cleansing to do its job. 

 

Sorry but I’m cut from a different cloth.

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